Banding

For "miscellaneous" finch-related questions.
Post Reply
Lauravdm
Fledgeling
Fledgeling
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:45 am
Location: South Africa

Banding

Post by Lauravdm » Fri Nov 05, 2010 3:27 am

Hey all...
Quick question when do I band my babies??
Laura
2 Crazy Cats, Cally and Jasper
Golden retriever Cross German shepard Bella
4 Zebra's 2 Grey Tryston & Yvaine
2 white Ashen and Ares, with 2 hatchlings
And my best achievement a beautiful and spirited soon to be 3 year old Amy Hayden

User avatar
lovemyfinch
Mod Extraordinaire
Mod Extraordinaire
Posts: 10036
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:12 am
Location: St-Hippolyte, Qc

Re: Banding

Post by lovemyfinch » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:10 am

Are you closed banding or split banding?

For closed banding it is usually between 7 and 9 days old, and split banding can be done either right before or right after the babies fedge.
Janine

shaftails,gouldians,societies,green singers,owls,cubans, and 1 parrotlet
Image

ac12
Molting
Molting
Posts: 6421
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:39 pm
Location: California, SF Bay Area

Re: Banding

Post by ac12 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:56 am

I use plastic split bands, and I band zebras about 14 days after hatching. This is late enough that they are big enough that I'm not afraid to band them, but young enough that they can't fly out of the nest as I am handling them. I remove the nest from the cage and take it to a small half bath where I do the banding.

I did band them after they fledged; this is fine for gouldians which are easy to simply grab off the perch, but many of the zebra fledglings are just as fast as the adults and hard to catch. So then I switched to 14 days.

For new parents, I will wait till they fledge. I don't want the parents to abandon the nest.
Gary

gouldians (GB,YB,BB), blackbelly firefinches (trying to breed), societies (foster parents).
red factor canary

Lauravdm
Fledgeling
Fledgeling
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:45 am
Location: South Africa

Re: Banding

Post by Lauravdm » Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:41 am

Thanks.... I am am split banding.... So I will band them next week at 14 weeks, I am so scared about touching them, as I have always been taught birds abandon their young is you touch them.... But these parents are so diligent I have no idea what they will decide
Laura
2 Crazy Cats, Cally and Jasper
Golden retriever Cross German shepard Bella
4 Zebra's 2 Grey Tryston & Yvaine
2 white Ashen and Ares, with 2 hatchlings
And my best achievement a beautiful and spirited soon to be 3 year old Amy Hayden

debbie276
Bird Brain
Bird Brain
Posts: 14789
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:30 am
Location: WV

Re: Banding

Post by debbie276 » Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:12 am

If you are split banding them it can be done at anytime. If you would be more comfortable banding when they are older that isn't going to be a problem, the choice is yours.
good luck
Debbie
long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

ac12
Molting
Molting
Posts: 6421
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:39 pm
Location: California, SF Bay Area

Re: Banding

Post by ac12 » Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:33 pm

What kind of birds?
Some are more tolerant of nest disruptions than others.
Also is the nest an outside box, or will you have to reach in and remove the nest from inside the cage?
If it is an inside nest, I would wait till they fledge.

I use outside nest boxes.
I will slide a SOLID divider into the cage so the parents cannot see what I am doing on the other side of the divider. Then I remove the nest to band the chicks.
Gary

gouldians (GB,YB,BB), blackbelly firefinches (trying to breed), societies (foster parents).
red factor canary

Lauravdm
Fledgeling
Fledgeling
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:45 am
Location: South Africa

Re: Banding

Post by Lauravdm » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:50 am

I just can't bring my self to do it, I am so scared the parents will abandon the chicks, so I am leaving it till next week when I they should start trying to leave the nest...
I don't know maybe if I take a baby out a day and try that...
I am not going to fiddle
Laura
2 Crazy Cats, Cally and Jasper
Golden retriever Cross German shepard Bella
4 Zebra's 2 Grey Tryston & Yvaine
2 white Ashen and Ares, with 2 hatchlings
And my best achievement a beautiful and spirited soon to be 3 year old Amy Hayden

debbie276
Bird Brain
Bird Brain
Posts: 14789
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:30 am
Location: WV

Re: Banding

Post by debbie276 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:46 am

Like I said before, split bands can be done anytime during the life of the bird. Sounds like you should wait. Maybe when your more comfortable banding you will have more confidence to try sooner but if not it's not going to make a difference. :)
Enjoy your birds
Debbie
long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

User avatar
Sally
Mod Extraordinaire
Mod Extraordinaire
Posts: 17929
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:55 pm
Location: DFW, Texas

Re: Banding

Post by Sally » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:12 am

I agree with Debbie, if you are not comfortable, just wait and use split plastic bands. The closed bands have a time table, because you have to band them before their feet and ankles get too big to allow the band to be slipped on. Any time after fledging up to and including adulthood is fine for the split bands. They are also easier to apply.
3 Purple Grenadiers, 1 Goldbreast + 1 cat.

National Finch & Softbill Society - http://www.nfss.org

ac12
Molting
Molting
Posts: 6421
Joined: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:39 pm
Location: California, SF Bay Area

Re: Banding

Post by ac12 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:00 pm

Laura
When I started banding I did it after they fledged for the same reason. I was too scared of taking out the nest and doing it to nestlings. It was only after I did all the adults and a few of the fledglings and got more comfortable with banding, then I started doing the nestlings at 14 days old.

The only caution I have is, if you have zebras, you really should band the birds before they finish their molt. Once they finish their molt you may not be able to figure out which ones are the chicks, as they will look just like the parents. Unless of course you already banded the parents. This is the problem that I had, I got mom and one of her daughters mixed up. I figured out my mistake when I saw who was snuggling up to dad.
Gary

gouldians (GB,YB,BB), blackbelly firefinches (trying to breed), societies (foster parents).
red factor canary

User avatar
BillD
4 Eggs Laid
4 Eggs Laid
Posts: 827
Joined: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:30 pm
Location: Dallas/Fort Worth Texas

Re: Banding

Post by BillD » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:05 pm

I tried my hand at closed banding and I failed on the first attempt with my Societies. I learned a lot and I would try again.
I think a closed banded bird has a way to identify it's age.
2 polydactyl Snowflake felines and a new Panther non-poly feline.. Working on building the bloodline of the local Fawn Owls.

Post Reply