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Heres a interesting clip I found on the internet where the guy smoking substances, floods his Gouldian cage with the fog (while coughing profusely). The effect on the Gouldians is disgusting. they are dirty, agitated, and a female opens her vent repeatly looking confused..as if she is about to lay an egg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnN7pQXjGQ

So, like my beloved pitbull, this may be the "cool" future of the gouldian domestic species? Ive owned pitbulls for 25 years, and TRUST me, once any animal becomes "cool" to own in THIS culture like on this video..........its LOST.

My pitbull has been around for 126 years, destroyed in 15 years. So how long will it take them to destroy a little bird?

Babs


This guy is an idiot...some people don't deserve to have animals.

slwatson

I cannot BELIEVE he is sitting there getting his finches "high".

I know it seemed odd to compare it to pitbulls. But its really true. In the 1990's when the drug addicts got a fondness for pitbulls, for the FIRST time in our breeds history our dogs started being trained to attack humans. Now I am fighting to keep my pitbulls from becoming eliminated entirely. The media made them cool to derelicts (like this guy and thugs) and then the media got the $$ from the damage caused by it.

Well, from history, we know where that leads.

Babs

Sometimes when people hear the word "pitbull", they automatically think of a dangerous dog, but it's so not true. They're a very misunderstood breed

That video was sickening to me....those poor gouldians. I guess he's proud that he's shortening their life spans

Couldn't watch it, its been made private.

Arama

That's probably several posted nasty comments about what he was doing. I hope he is truly ashamed.

Basically in the video you can see clouds of smoke being blown into the birds cage (had about 6 gouldians in it) til the cage and the whole room is thick with it. In the background you can hear a guy coughing and the bubbling of a bong.

Just made me furious.

You said It,Babs. Some people shouldn't own animals.

Babs wrote: slwatson
In the 1990's when the drug addicts got a fondness for pitbulls, for the FIRST time in our breeds history our dogs started being trained to attack humans.

I hate to tell you this, but your history doesn't go NEARLY far enough back.

Pit bulls were being taught to attack humans almost as soon as the breed appeared.

Or rather, as soon as the breedS appeared. Because "Pit Bull" isn't really a breed per se - it's a blanket term meant to include all the "bully" breeds, including Boston Terriers. Which boggles the mind, but there you go.

Depending on where you live, the term may or may not be more often applied to a particular bully breed or mix - the one I've heard it applied to most often is the American Staffordshire Terrier or any AST mix. But "pit bull" is not a breed on its own.

Mastiffs (a large powerful bully breed that has existed for thousands of years) were particularly popular as guard dogs at various times throughout history. Victorian-era Villains, when uttering the phrase "Release the hounds!" were often referring to Mastiffs.

Slightly more recently, when I was a kid - a mere half century ago - there were several establishments in town that were guarded by "pit bulls", including the junkyard dogs at an actual junkyard.

Guard dogs are trained to attack humans. Bully breeds, while not specifically bred for the purpose, have been acting as guard dogs ever since they were first bred. More to the point, Mastiffs and other related breeds were initially bred to hunt and to go to war - which obviously involved training them to attack humans on command.

Yes, "war dogs" were a real thing. In fact, when Hannibal crossed the Alps during the Second Punic war, he not only showed up with elephants, but also one or more corps of war dogs - mastiffs. That was around 200 BC. They'd been used in war for hundreds of years (if not thousands) before that as well.

"Pit Bulls" of all breeds were being taught to attack humans long, LONG before 1990!

But then so has almost every OTHER breed of dog, with the possible exception of Pomeranians, Chihuahuas, and wiener-dogs, LOL!

Sojourner

Pit Bull is not a blanket term for many breeds of dog. It is the name of one breed, the American Pitbull Terrier, who's standard size is 55lbs and under, and stands about or under the knee. Hardly a dog bred for attacking humans. ;)

May I encourage you to read Louis Colby's book, "The American Pitbull Terrier.", as it was his family who was instrumental in this strain becoming a "breed" and who's father founded (along a friend) the American Dog Breeders Asso. (ADBA)....and Louis Colby who set the SHOW STANDARD for the APBT.

I happen to joyously own one of his Pitbulls from his yard handed to me by Louis himself before he died a few years ago. A priviledge few people were able to get. She is an incredibly mellow, thoughtful dog.
All over the walls of his spotless barn were about a hundred photos of famous presidents and celebrities who owned his Pitbulls. I was pleasantly surprised to see Teddy Roosevelt proudly holding his new Colby Pitbull and also Mohammad Ali, just to name a few.

Pitbulls were bred to NEVER EVER bite their handler......EVER, or children, or neighbors, etc. Louis and his father before him had a strict code for child-biters which ended in euthanasia. To the day he died, the neighborhood children at his home in Massachusetts were invited to play with each new litter of pups. He even played a republican radio station all night in the barn, so the sound of a humans voice was constant from birth. So when a certain "element" of humans started using them the last 30 years to be guard-attack dogs, it was considered against the breed's integrity. Then the filthy media coined new terms for the APBT and lumped other breeds along with the PitBull.

Mr. Colby made it very clear to me that he was very sad about that. And that may seem hypocritical given the sport the dog was bred for. It did destroy over a century of great care to make sure these dogs were not a menace to the community and were docile around humans at all times, as my purebred Colby Pitbull is.

Modern terms like "bully breeds" are a new trend to maliciously lump a group of dog breeds together and create stigma.

I will agree, however, many breeds of dog can stem from a war-attack dog ancestry.

But there is 1 and only 1 Pitbull breed. That is the American Pitbull Terrier. I hope you learned a little about the real history behind my beloved breed. But this is a finch forum of course. So we can't go on about it much. Thanks for the interest.

Babs

My Pitbull wanna be...

Not according to the American Kennel Club

They also identify the generic term "pit bull" with the American Staffordshire Terrier, the dog most commonly identified as a "pit bull" in the US.

The UKC (United Kennel Club in the UK) identifies this animal as the "American Pitbull Terrier". They stem from the same lineage though there has since been drift - one of them now tends to be a little larger than the other but I've forgotten which one. They are basically the same dog however. And especially when you get into the bully-breed mixes, you really can't differentiate them very easily from at least some members of other related bully breeds.

In the USA, there is no breed recognized as "Pit Bull" and the term has historically been applied to any bully breed used to fight in the ring/pit pretty much all over the world.

ALL bully breed have been used for fighting, bear bating, bull baiting, and as war dogs at some point in time. So have nearly all other breeds of dogs. ANY dog can be - and has been at many times throughout history - taught to attack other human beings. ALL of them. Except maybe Boston Terriers, LOL!

As for "maliciously lumping" dogs together to somehow sully the names of all the bully breeds, that is just plain not the case. It's just a fact that "pit bull" has always been used as a generic term for a dog participating in particular types of activities - not a particular breed of bully dogs.

I have NOTHING against "pit bulls". My brother owned an American Staffordshire Terrier (NOT a "pit bull" except in that it is a bully breed) and I owned an AST mix. Both these dogs were sweet as pie. But we'd both had them from pups and hadn't trained them as attack animals. Mine only weighed about 25 lbs, but she looked like a monster from the chest up. She would take me for a brisk morning drag every morning that I lived in Puerto Rico, and grown men - grown macho Puerto Rican men - would cross the street rather than get close to us. I felt VERY safe with her. I lost her to a heart attack when she was about 8.

However the idea that these dogs are somehow incapable of being trained to be vicious and dangerous is itself a dangerous misconception. ANY dog can be thusly trained, and pretty nearly all of them HAVE been. I joked about chihuahuas not being likely attack dogs - but they HAVE badly injured people, even being that small.

So have poodles, both the miniatures and the standards. And Dalmations. And Collies. And beagles. Ad infinitum. ALL dogs have this capability and all breed have had many members that have been trained in this capability.

The idea that no "pit bull", whatever YOU think that term means, had ever caused harm to a human being prior to the 90s, or that you can totally train/breed those capabilities out, is just plain wrong. And dangerous. Way more dangerous than your average dog of any breed.

If you think a 55 lb dog is not big enough to hurt a human being, you are very very much mistaken.

I think the laws against the "pit bull breed" are not only meaningless (because that term is so commonly and frequently used to mean something pretty generic), but stupidly wrong-headed. If you somehow magically manage to get rid of every dog on the planet that scares you, you'd soon find some other dog breed to be afraid of, because people will just start using another breed. They already do, as a matter of fact - "pit bulls", whatever you think they are, are no worse than German Shepherds, Doberman's, and Rottweilers who have been trained as attack animals.

Pretty soon there'd be no dogs left.

lovezebs

Your little puppy is the same family as mine (terriers), and you are absolute right, she is a little Pitbull!!

Grrrr GRRRRRRRRR!! Okay give her an extra doggie treat from me!!

Sojourner

To refresh your memory the Staddforshire Terrier was bred bigger than the smaller American Pitbull.

So you read some stuff of the internet, thats cool, but the internet is rewriting inaccurate history everyday, horribly inaccurate data.

The idea that no "pit bull", whatever YOU think that term means

Ohh I know what it means, you do not. You were serious when you typed that?

I have had dinner in the home of one of several families who actually created the breed, I've read their old books, My line of dogs is from them, not you. No offense, but I would rather listen to history of the breed, by the people who CREATED the breed, rather than someone who googles it.

I dont want to type a rant, but as a 25 year APBT owner, and owning the oldest bloodline in the US (where the "breed" was FOUNDED), I think you are way in over your head.

You dont have enough space for me to correct what you just said about my breeds history.

Okay on to finches.

PS you cannot name 1 breed other than the APBT, that has "pitbull" in the name.

n the USA, there is no breed recognized as "Pit Bull" and the term has historically been applied to any bully breed used to fight in the ring/pit pretty much all over the world.

This ADBA website has much of what you need to know about the old, very official, and very SPECIFIC American Pitbull Terrier. Its not a blanket term, it is a specific breed
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http://www.adba.cc