The Chirp Shire and the many changes

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The Chirp Shire and the many changes

Post by MLaRue » Sun May 22, 2011 7:04 pm

All the flights have been removed from the bird house and now most of the material has been made into a 5' wide, 10' long, 90" tall outdoor flight!!! This flight has been built over a window so they will be able to go in and out through a window.
The inside looks like a palace now without all the flights so I will be able to set up all my cages that are for breeding and flights and cleaning will be a breeze again!!! I started this a few weeks ago by taking out two flights but then yesterday I decided to take out the final two flights - this offers so many options now and allows for simplicity again.

Pictures soon :) I'm beat from the heat today

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Post by lovemyfinch » Sun May 22, 2011 7:44 pm

Looking forward to the pics. =D>
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Post by Teresa » Sun May 22, 2011 8:11 pm

Ah, simplicity! I'm all for that Misty! Sounds like it's going to be wonderful for you .... and your birds! Can't wait for pictures!
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Post by CandoAviary » Sun May 22, 2011 8:15 pm

This sounds ideal :D You are going to have some happy birds :D
Also plenty of room for the cage breeders :D
Looking forward to the pictures.

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Post by Sally » Thu May 26, 2011 12:53 am

So you have taken out all the flights inside? Do the birds that are in the outside flight have access to the entire bird house thru that window? Do you have nests for the outside flight, or are all those birds on R&R? Anxious to see some pictures.
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Post by nixity » Thu May 26, 2011 10:08 am

I'm trying to visualize this but I can't! Need pictures!!
I thought the indoor flights were built into the building??

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Post by MLaRue » Thu May 26, 2011 12:58 pm

I got a bit side tracked when I decided I would go ahead and touch up (paint) some of the flight cages this week and let them air out before using them in the bird house. As for the questions I don’t know how to answer them without explaining how I got to this point…

The whole plan is still an idea in motion – subject to change at any time. :wink: I’m trying to create an almost perfect environment for them by allowing them free access to flying but then also contain them when breeding and or coming out of breeding.

Since my flock is predominately Gouldians I have to be very careful of what I allow and don’t. For example the first year was a trial process to see how things would come together as a flock and now that it has been a little over a year through the various seasons I can honestly say I detest aviary flock breeding. Sure there were successes but so many failures. I’ve come to the conclusion that our environments are TOO SMALL for our flocks no matter how hard we try to make it work. MY Gouldians are VERY aggressive and for the area I have to work with I would be limited to allowing only two or three pairs of Gouldians the rights to breed – anything more is absolutely maddening! My birds have never looked so beat up! I take great pride in my flock and since this whole thing began it has been one horror/error after another.

Let’s take the flights for example. There were four individual flights to allow for resting, molting and lots of exercise. Because the flights were built with wire the birds could see and hear one another and this is where it went wrong. The males AND females were in constant battle against one another vying for the other sex. So I made it so they couldn’t see one another – well this was a little too late so to speak. Within a few weeks of “hoping” things would settle down, it then went to the Gladiator arena!! They beat the hell out of one another with their frustrations of being denied the rights to breed!

Since I focused on the Grenadiers, Blue Caps, Owls and Violet Ears this past fall and winter in cages it left little room for anything else to be set up in cages. Well that isn’t going to work. My intentions are to allow the “other” species free range to breed where they want and the Gouldians will be caged when breeding or needing to molt. I have so few “other” species that if they will not willingly breed in cages they will be allowed to breed wherever they see fit.

One more thought here regarding the flights… The time spent cleaning the flights was very time consuming and never manageable… the constant bending over and heavy lifting was killing me and I found myself avoiding the chore of it and I don’t do dirty aviaries... Disgusting… In my aviary if poop/dander is visible then it needs to be cleaned up…

As for the outside flight – well this is a test of my own to see if I can get Gouldians to thrive in our humidity. Their temps are ranging between 65 and 85 on any given day right now. They do not have an air conditioner or a dehumidifier and haven’t since last year. I don’t coddle my birds – they either make it or don’t. So the plan is to allow certain Gouldians out to have plenty of exercise and the birds that need to be controlled through their cycles will be in cages. Here is an example – once a pair is done breeding they will be left in separate sexed flight cages until they start their molt, because once they start molting they usually have no desire to breed at that point. They then will be allowed to have open access to outside and inside. None of the Gouldians will be allowed to breed uncontrolled anymore. The juveniles will be kept away from adult Gouldians except their own parents. Once they have molted they then will be allowed to be part of the “flock”.

I don’t know if I answered all the questions but there are no concrete answers yet.

Now the question I have even for myself is the humidity in my bird room while breeding... I have not put this into full consideration yet and it is on my list of either trial and error or it is going to be one way or another kind of thing.

The indoor flights were part of the building but everything was screwed together so that we could take it apart. There were a few areas removing them damaged the walls but FRP is up now.

I should have listened to Neil on several things when we were putting the bare bones together in the beginning and I didn't. One of his suggestions was to use FRP panel everywhere - I didn't want to because I wanted color on the walls, now I could care less, I should have used FRP from floor to ceiling from the start. But then this is all part of "What I would do different".

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Post by nixity » Thu May 26, 2011 1:32 pm

Well - I for one am interested to hear how all of this pans out and if it works out better this way :)

Plus, I'd love to see pictures once everything is in place!
I would have loved the opportunity to try housing my birds outdoors.

I gave it about 20 minutes of thought once when I was at my townhome. I considered building a small outdoor flight that would sit on our deck - but I was too consumed with preventing vermin and predation and also, well.. theft :/
Since I didn't live in a private lot I didn't want to take the chance of someone stealing my birds at night.. I remember horror stories on NFSS and elsewhere where people broke into padlocked outdoor aviaries and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of breeder parrots :shock: :shock:

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Post by MLaRue » Thu May 26, 2011 1:56 pm

All your fears have been my fears too but I decided I needed to move past my fears and just go for it.

As you know Winnie has the bulk of her flock on that porch, and I feel like if she can get hers to thrive "outside" I should be able to get mine to thrive as well.

Who knows maybe one day I will have them all outside, I did in Florida :? I'm really not sure why I ever got to the point of thinking they couldn't thrive in Georgia outside, well I know how but you get the point.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THESE BIRDS IN THE REAL SUNSHINE AGAIN!!! :D :wink:

We should be done with the outside aviary this weekend :) I have a three day weekend and really all we need to finish is the roof panels and the screen =D> The inside will be done by then so next is the catching and well that is going to be a late night since I catch mine in the dark. Anyone that has NOT molted this year is getting caught! :twisted:

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Post by cindy » Thu May 26, 2011 2:06 pm

Tiffany and Misty, you have a right to be concerned. A friend of our liked in south Naples, he and his partner had large expensive birds inside and in an outdoor aviary. Theives broke into their aviary (they were targeting someone else's and actually broke into the wrong place)....my friend's partner tried to stop them from taking the large birds, they shot his partner (took months to recover) and left with nothing.

They decided to move to another area...the had double electrical fencing and a large dog. Their property backed up to FLP fencing also. The theives acted as customer, cased the aviary...a large outdoor building separate from the house. They waited for storms to hit hard in the area, they cut the wires and knocking the power out, they waited till the dog was brought in due to the driving rain and hit the back building...taking 2/3rds the stock of big expensive birds. They were hit one more time after that, the thieves cut through the back double FPL fencing.

It was sad some of their pets birds, micro-chipped and talking, some over 20 yrs old were taken, never to be found. It forced them to stop breeding and selling for a long time.

If you do allow people to your home and choose not to meet them somewhere, please be aware that they are now aware of what you have, especially the more expensive birds/finches. Alarm systems are not fool proof. If you choose to meet someone, take a friend with you and do not give out you list phone number, use your cell instead.

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Post by MLaRue » Thu May 26, 2011 2:14 pm

Did I forget to mention the birds will not be allowed to sleep outside, they will all be made to go inside for the night.

We live in a gated community and only my very close friends are allowed to visit my home and aviary.

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Post by cindy » Thu May 26, 2011 2:23 pm

I am glad Misty, I would hate to see anything happen to friends and their birds. My friends lived out on private acres of land.

Now hurry with your pictures!!!!

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Post by cindy » Thu May 26, 2011 2:58 pm

Misty...even if you think people are trustworthy sometimes they are not...

It happened a lot in Ft Myers, left was a big thing with the expensive birds. I did lovebirds, bourkes scarlet chested...one of the girls I sold to became friends with me, we went to shows, visited each other's homes over a period of a few months...I left to take my daughter to school, forgot something, turned around to get it and found her car in my driveway and her son and her with cages going around to my back lania where my birds were kept. It can happen to anyone.

The bottom line is this person was involved in transport and housing of a stolen monkey and toucan from a breeder.

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Post by Sally » Thu May 26, 2011 3:21 pm

I think people with the larger, more expensive birds like the parrots need to be more concerned with theft. We all know how difficult it can be to catch some of these finches--I don't think thieves are going to hang around that long! And it would take a lot of finches to equal the worth of one macaw. Not that it can't happen, just less likely, IMO.

I do agree that you have to be careful about who you allow to visit your aviary. I've had strangers at the marts ask if they could come to my house to look at birds, and I just tell them that I maintain a closed aviary.
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Post by cindy » Thu May 26, 2011 3:22 pm

I agree, better to be safe than sorry!

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