How many birds will fit???

For questions about finch enclosures (cages & aviaries).
User avatar
monotwine
Proven
Proven
Posts: 2872
Joined: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:50 am
Location: South Africa

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by monotwine » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:56 am

For aviaries the general rule of thumb is 1 meter square (1.1960 yd squared) floor space per pair (height is irrelevent).

User avatar
Sally
Mod Extraordinaire
Mod Extraordinaire
Posts: 17927
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:55 pm
Location: DFW, Texas

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Sally » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:15 am

monotwine wrote:For aviaries the general rule of thumb is 1 meter square (1.1960 yd squared) floor space per pair (height is irrelevent).
Thanks for that, Monique. As we've all seen, the cage calculator only works for cages. Put in measurements for a walk-in aviary, and it looks like you could stock a pet shop!
3 Purple Grenadiers, 1 Goldbreast + 1 cat.

National Finch & Softbill Society - http://www.nfss.org

Casper
Fledgeling
Fledgeling
Posts: 105
Joined: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:34 am
Location: Adelaide, South Australia

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Casper » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:46 am

Awesome link, thank you, it says my cage can take 11-13, so my plan of having 6 will be fine!
Totally owned by a spoodle called Pepsi, 4 very cute zebra finches (2 fawn females, 1 ??? and 1 white male) and about 60 guppies! And loving every minute of it!

Javy
Pip
Pip
Posts: 21
Joined: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:49 pm

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Javy » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:35 pm

Perfect link, as this was a question I have been thinking about for a while! Thank you!

User avatar
FinchFan
Pip
Pip
Posts: 15
Joined: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:07 am
Location: Cumming, GA

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by FinchFan » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:26 pm

I absolutely love the finch cage calculator that Liz referenced above. I find myself coming back to it time and time again when shopping for finch cages/aviaries! :D It is so hard to find enclosures that are long enough. Most are tall but not long, and length is what matters most to finches, as they fly horizontally rather than vertically.
Wendy
1 Pair Red Cheeked Cordon Bleu
1 Pair Gold Breasted Waxbills
4 Persian Cats

debbie276
Bird Brain
Bird Brain
Posts: 14789
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:30 am
Location: WV

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by debbie276 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:48 pm

There's all kinds of great information on The Finch Information Center in many different categories, check it out :)
http://www.finchinfo.com/index.php
Debbie
long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

flywhoaman
Pip
Pip
Posts: 19
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:10 pm
Location: Texas Hill Country

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by flywhoaman » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:38 pm

It is interesting that the cage height is irrelevant. I read a similar discussion on the Aussie Finch Forum and one breeder felt that certainly for some birds, height was actually more important. He felt that the birds actually got more exercise in the flight up as opposed to the glide across the cage. I am definitely too new to have an opinion but I think it is interesting that there is possibly a debate on that issue. I know that when I was learning to fly an airplane, it definitely took more throttle to go up than it did to glide to the airfield.
:|

debbie276
Bird Brain
Bird Brain
Posts: 14789
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:30 am
Location: WV

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by debbie276 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:31 am

Height is very important to the birds overall health and muscle tone, they need both up and down and side to side movement.
What it is saying is that in measuring for a cage it doesn't come into play for how many birds will fit comfortably. For the most part birds like to be above or at the same level of the other birds in the cage, therefore they spend most of their time at or near the top. While they do go to the bottom especially when you have the water and food on the bottom like I do, they will perch at the top. When they perch they need to have their own personal space and be able to get away from any conflicts.
Debbie
long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

flywhoaman
Pip
Pip
Posts: 19
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:10 pm
Location: Texas Hill Country

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by flywhoaman » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:37 am

Great point, Debbie. I can clearly understand that logic and I have started to see that behavior in my zebras.

I did do something a little different. I made them a trimmed 32" manzanita branch that I adapted as a perch and they can sit on various branches of the upper "limb" of the "tree" that I created in the flight cage. Like a regular manzanita perch, it attaches to the side of the cage and is horizontal to the floor. This means that they don't necessarily sit in a straight line but more of a "cloud" formation at the top of the cage, much like a flock of birds sitting in a shrub. They can utilize a greater percent of this plane that defines their area with regards to their "personal space" than if the perch was a single stick. I made sure there was still plenty of area for them to fly, both up and down, and in a half circle away from and back to their branch.

The cages for my birds are approximately 27"w by 37"l by 49" height. This means, by the calculator, 4-5 birds maximum. Utilizing my branches and the added height, the species I have selected should still feel pretty comfortable.

User avatar
hilljack13
Jute Junkie
Jute Junkie
Posts: 524
Joined: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:05 pm
Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by hilljack13 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:43 pm

Thanks for the link!

User avatar
Ginene
Molting
Molting
Posts: 4333
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:52 pm
Location: Staten Island, New York

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Ginene » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:46 am

flywhoaman
Sounds like a cool way to use s branch! Would LOVE to see a pic :)

flywhoaman
Pip
Pip
Posts: 19
Joined: Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:10 pm
Location: Texas Hill Country

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by flywhoaman » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:10 am

Sorry, I got a little out of touch since I have just finished "lambing" and have several orphans to take care of AND my finches have arrived. I housed two pairs together, the owls and the stars but the owls were in the mood to start breeding and attacked the star finch male causing damage from which he could not recover. Bummer deluxe... both for me and the female star finch. She is very upset that he is suddenly missing.

I will attempt to take pictures of my setup. I think it works well for my birds. The gouldians all sit together in the "cloud" formation that I mentioned, not too far away from each other but clearly in their own space. Zebras don't sit anywhere long enough to know how they "sit" but the multi branched limb makes it convenient for them to move and also to get away from an aggressive individual. It didn't work for my star finch because he was dive bombed!

Sheather
Proven
Proven
Posts: 2299
Joined: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:49 pm
Location: Northwest Indiana

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Sheather » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:48 am

debbie276 wrote: Height is very important to the birds overall health and muscle tone, they need both up and down and side to side movement.
What it is saying is that in measuring for a cage it doesn't come into play for how many birds will fit comfortably. For the most part birds like to be above or at the same level of the other birds in the cage, therefore they spend most of their time at or near the top. While they do go to the bottom especially when you have the water and food on the bottom like I do, they will perch at the top. When they perch they need to have their own personal space and be able to get away from any conflicts.
I must disagree, my finches perch just as much even very low to the bottom of the cage. I have six societies and two javas currently together in a 36 inch tall x 30 x 18 inch wide flight and they're not at an ideal stocking level I know, but they don't bicker terribly and have plenty of room to fly and get away from one another. All of the birds utilize the entire cage, not just the side to side flight paths. I would never keep 8 birds in a 30 x 18 x 18 cage, but even though this setup is not doubly long, the double height IMO makes the cage able to house several more birds than otherwise, if necessary, such as in my case. Not that width isn't important - I'd still say a 30 inch minimum is good - but I think we put much too emphasis on it. Birds like height too and it can make a difference.

Image
~Dylan

~~~

debbie276
Bird Brain
Bird Brain
Posts: 14789
Joined: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:30 am
Location: WV

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by debbie276 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:17 am

I must disagree,
Not exactly sure what your disagreeing with, "Height is very important to the birds overall health and muscle tone, they need both up and down and side to side movement."
All day long mine also use the entire aviary going up and down and side to side but this thread is about how the calculator calculates the number of birds that will fit in a given space.

When given enough room to pick and choose where to perch, especially at night, the finch will pick the highest spot available. Of course if nothing high is available they will go to the next highest spot. Not being able to perch in a strategic spot (up high) may cause undo stress on your birds so the calculator calculates them all being equal and not forcing them to use different levels.
Debbie
long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

User avatar
Sally
Mod Extraordinaire
Mod Extraordinaire
Posts: 17927
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:55 pm
Location: DFW, Texas

Re: How many birds will fit???

Post by Sally » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:39 am

To me, the cage calculator applies to pairs, which implies breeding. Breeding birds will usually be very territorial, and if they don't have enough space for their territory, it can cause problems. Six non-breeding Societies can live quite happily in a cage that would be far too small for three pairs of waxbills. The cage calculator is a guide, but just like the compatibility chart, the birds haven't read the book. It all eventually comes down to individual birds and how well they coexist with others.
3 Purple Grenadiers, 1 Goldbreast + 1 cat.

National Finch & Softbill Society - http://www.nfss.org

Post Reply