Soluvite D3 Breeder ( In the UK )

[Nerien]

http://www.finchforum.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&un=Sally....emailed a few breeders about the soluvite.....it turns out people were under dosing the soluvite d....instead of following the packaging details they were dosing according to d breeder directions..

so that means they were under dosing by 10x

that would explain why they thought the soluvite d wasn't as good as the d breeder

Professional breeders who couldn't/didn't read the simple directions on the container for over six months???!!! Wow. Unreal.

[dutch]

Nerien.....professional breeders? .....more like the back yard breeders you find on here asking it comes with a scoop but how much do you give them

Professional breeders don't need finch forums....

You can't judge them I have read many of your topics where you were asking what's this and what do I do now...

If your on a forum asking questions you're not a professional breeder...you're just a breeder

[mayble]

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If your on a forum asking questions you're not a professional breeder...you're just a breeder

So in your opinion, one who seeks alternate methods or advice isn't a "professional breeder"?
Does education stop when the first check comes in, or do you simply believe that "forum folk" have nothing to offer?

[Ginene]

If your on a forum asking questions you're not a professional breeder...you're just a breeder

...Wow...this is an ignorant statement. The day I feel like there isn't another thing I can learn to improve my life or the lives of others (feathered friends included), please bury me.
"Educating yourself does not mean that you were stupid in the first place; it means that you are intelligent enough to know that there is plenty left to learn." Melanie Joy

Nerien.....professional breeders? .....more like the back yard breeders you find on here asking it comes with a scoop but how much do you give them

...WOW!!! This is SO INSULTING, seeing as the members of this forum have had to put up with your banter for 8 months now. Maybe you should leave us primitive, backyard folk and start your own ALL KNOWING, PROFESSIONAL BREEDING forum. Then you won't have to worry about educating us inferior folk and we won't have to listen to you brag about how perfect and amazing your birds are. Which IMHO is a joke...

[dutch]

Ginene....I don't claim to be a professional....what is a professional breeder?...

Plenty left to learn?.....really every time someone comes up with a different method to breeding birds....no you can't do that........it's impossible.......you can't have Goulds with zebs....that's just one...

How many times have the professionals on here told me it's not possible

[Nerien]

Breeder is superior......I have spoken to many breeders who have used both. ....all of them have switched over to breeder

But the bird breeders I spoke to....all said it took 6 months on soluvite d to see improvements. ......but breeders using d breeder saw instant results

emailed a few breeders about the soluvite.....it turns out people were under dosing the soluvite d....instead of following the packaging details they were dosing according to d breeder directions..
so that means they were under dosing by 10x

professional breeders? .....more like the back yard breeders you find on here asking it comes with a scoop but how much do you give them
Professional breeders don't need finch forums....

YOU are the one quoting "breeders" as authorities for your arguments.
And you say that your referenced breeders, plural, all of them, your authorities, were mixing up the solution wrong.
Now you say, with obvious disdain, that these people are backyard idiots?
Then I must ask, why are you quoting them and using them to support your arguments? You wish people to follow the advice you've passed on from people you view as backyard idiots?

[Nerien]

You can't judge them I have read many of your topics where you were asking what's this and what do I do now...

And as for this statement, all of YOUR early posts are here for all to read also--three YEARS of sick and dying birds?! Question after question about diseases, medicines, dosing, vitamins, care....

People in glass houses should not throw such big stones, dutch.

[dutch]

Nerien.....backyard breeders are not idiots....they just make mistakes....im a backyard breeder....most people here are

Even if you just have a single pair.....I call that a bird breeder....a backyard breeder........I never said anyone was a professional......and if a breeder calls themselves a professional.......they should have all the answers

We are all just bird breeders.....or as I like to call it backyard breeders

[Nerien]

If you don't breed your birds, you're not a breeder.

An occasional clutch just because, for your own enjoyment, is not being "a breeder".

The word has an actual, official meaning.

[Ginene]

dutch

Plenty left to learn?

Yes...I have learned a wealth of information about finching from the people on this forum. Sadly, some of them aren't members anymore, but I am able to continue to learn from them via FB and email. I am still a Newbie when it comes to birds...and I plan to never stop learning from the good and bad experiences of others. I have no doubt that you have learned a few thing on this forum too, whether you want to admit it or not.

How many times have the professionals on here told me it's not possible

I have never heard anyone on this forum claim to be a professional breeder...if you are referring to the members with YEARS of experience, they are only here to help others and share their knowledge. And btw, its the Newbies like me that call them "experts," as they don't claim to be experts either. However their advice is available...you can choose to take it or leave it. But these are good people, who deserve to be treated with respect and consideration. This is why I felt the need to speak up...In the 18 months I have been on this forum, all of the advice and support I have received has been given from the hearts of its members...not from arrogance.

[dutch]

Nerien.....im sorry I didn't know the word breeder was official.....please accept my apologize for using the word breeder. ....

I emailed a few people who breed their birds for enjoyment....they are not official breeders or professional breeders....

[Sally]

Please keep this discussion civil and on topic. Personal discussions should be via PM, yet they still should remain civil, per our TOS:

"Keep it friendly! If you want to remain a member here, you must be civil toward all of the other members here, even outside of this forum."

[cindy]

JFYI,
There is an alternative to Soluvite D which I've used for the first time, starting 2 month's ago, with noticeable results. It's called Ferti-vit and its made by Oropharma (Versele Laga) from Belgium, meaning can be faster acquired by European guys, at least.

Bellow you can find the analysis per/kg:

Vitamin A 3.000.000 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 220.000 IU/kg
Vitamin E 45.000 mg/kg
Vitamin C 13.000 mg/kg
Vitamin K3 650 mg/kg
D-pantothenate calcium 2.400 mg/kg
Vitamin B1 900 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 3.500 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 1.300 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 6 mg/kg
Niacin 17.500 mg/kg
Biotin 33 mg/kg
Folic acid 330 mg/kg
L-lysine 20.000 mg/kg
DL-methionine 30.000 mg/kg
E1 - Iron (iron sulphate monohydrate) 2.500 mg/kg
E2 - Iodine (calcium iodate, anhydrous) 100 mg/kg
E4 - Copper (copper (II) sulphate pentahydrate) 500 mg/kg
E5 - Manganese (manganese sulphate monohydrate) 5.000 mg/kg
E6 - Zinc (zinc sulphate monohydrate) 4.500 mg/kg

For Soluvite D I've found the following composition:

Guaranteed Analysis (per kg):
Vitamins A 1,000,000 IU
D3 - 250.000 IU
E - 2,500 IU
K - 2000 mg
Niacin - 5,000 mg
Pantothenic Acid - 1,242 mg
Riboflavin - 1,200 mg
Thiamine - 470 mg
Pyridoxine - 400mg
Cyanocobalamin(B12) - 5 mg
Folic Acid - 225 mg
Choline Bitartrate - 40 mg
Biotin - 10 mg
Iodine - 200 mg

Web sources:
-Ferti-vit (http://www.oropharma.com/NUTRI/Nutritio ... &pro=18929)
-Soluvite D (https://www.birdsupplynh.com/catalog/pr ... ts_id=2113)




Daniel

This is what I use.... AviVita Gold Vitamins, Minerals and Amino Acids
It is a powder that is mixed into the birds soft food, given as directed on the container 3x's a week.

As my avian vet has said several times that we as pet owners tend to overdo it with supplements and vitamins.

To much of certain vitamins, minerals can have an adverse effect on the bird and on the way certain vitamins work with others. Blindly using/combining products is not a good thing, often keeping it simple with one good product is often best.

AviVita Gold Vitamin, Mineral
and Amino Acid Supplement for Birds


Guaranteed Analysis

Vitamin A 1000000 IU
Vitamin B1 1500 mg
Vitamin B2 3000 mg
Vitamin B3 12600 mg
Vitamin B5 4000 mg
Vitamin B6 1300 mg
Vitamin B12 10500 mg
Vitamin C 16000 mg
Vitamin D3 125000 mg
Vitamin E 6600 IU
Vitamin H 1 mg
Vitamin K1 50 mg
Folic Acid 400 mg
Choline 6550 mg
Inositol 130 mg
Aspartic Acid 800 mg
Alanine 500 mg
Arginine 250 mg
Cystine 250 mg
Glutamic Acid 1550 mg
Histidine 140 mg
Proline 325 mg
Serine 430 mg
Isoleucine 500 mg
Leucine 1000 mg
Lysine 2400 mg
Mechionine 2200 mg
Phenylalanine 350 mg
Threonine 450 mg
Tyrosine 70 mg
Calcium 4000 mg
Copper 250 mg
Iodine 100 mg
Iron 3000 mg
Manganese 1250 mg
Zinc 1250 mg

I also try to feed foods rich in vitamins on days the vitamins are not mixed in the foods along with pellets.

[dutch]

cindy....I agree that's why I only use the one vitamin supplement....

[cindy]

I feel the need to speak out regarding this topic and the direction it took a turn towards....even though it is rather off topic it needs to be said.

In this country (USA) the term "Backyard Breeder" has a very negative meaning to it...example:

A back yard breeder in the dog world denotes someone who sets up pens usually wire, raised off the ground, wire bottoms, small often not enough for the dogs to properly run or move around in. The pens are created for one thing and one thing only....to mass breed, litter after litter of dogs. Often 3 to five litters back to back, wearing the female out, producing weak young. The sole purpose in the end is the owners or "breeders" greed for the almighty $$$$$ since he is a supplier for either a store or an auction.

This type of "breeder" and I use the term loosely, is not looked favorably upon by the responsible/professional breeders who take the animals' welfare into consideration with proper living quarters, good food, well spaced out litters that give the female enough time to recoup her reserves before having another litter, usually it is a 6 month to a year rest.

Many may take offense to the term "backyard" breeder....many of us have aviaries outside and birds breed in them outside in the back yard, it is done responsibly with great care and not about the $$$$ and mass stock.

To ask questions whether you are just starting out or have had birds, a newbie or a professional (still would like to know what makes one a professional bird breeder since not many of us but break even when selling birds, often it is enough just to cover our cost for the flock)....questions are and always will be asked no matter how long you have been into birding....new products are created, new methods, research done regarding health and care is being done. Questions will arise as a result of that. No shame in asking questions.

There is a spot on this forum for everyone, newbie or "professional" we are all here to share, learn, help others. Sad to think "professionals" do not belong here....their insight is valuable.

The term "backyard breeder" is yes offensive to many, it gives a sort of "I do not care" label to breeding...especially here in the states were backyard breeding and mills are plentiful in the dog world and much concern has been raised about the welfare of the animals within these "breeding" conditions.

Perhaps better care should be given to how terms are used on this page as not to offend others in the future, it is not worth loosing members over.