Soluvite D3 Breeder ( In the UK )

[mayble]

cindy, I have to disagree with your example of a backyard breeder. That is what most would call a puppy mill.
Backyard breeder has always meant (in my experience anyway) a pet owner who breeds their pet quality dog without concern for for the health and quality of the offspring, but in an attempt to profit or at least recoup their investment in their pet. They aren't necessarily doing a disservice to their pet, but definitely to the breed in general.
Those who want their kids to experience "the miracle of life" by watching their dog or cat give birth and raise babies fall into this category. Then they scramble to find homes for the babies before their "profits" are eaten by providing food and (hopefully) health care.
I don't know how it would translate to the bird keeping world, but obviously was used in a derogatory fashion in this instance. Thank you for diffusing the debate.

[debbie276]

I would just like to add that just because someone doesn't use the product you do and may even have an alternative, doesn't not mean they are saying what your doing is wrong. It is always good to hear of other "like" products especially when you are dealing with areas around the world. What may be reasonably priced in my area of the world may not be in yours, and you should not be made to feel bad if you choose a different product.

[cindy]

I tend to agree, Debbie. There are some countries that do not have access to the same or the amount of products we have here in the states.

I also had both my avian vets tell me to avoid the water soluble vitamins due to it be being unreliable in regards to exactly how much the birds are taking in, it given in the water tubes or cup you are forcing them to drink it, some species do drink more than others. I tend to go on what their opinions are since they in the end will help me if their is a health issue with any of my flock.


Example.... budgies drink less than finches. So for me the powdered vitamins/minerals is the product of choice which is mixed in soft foods not water.

[cindy]

cindy, I have to disagree with your example of a backyard breeder. That is what most would call a puppy mill.
Backyard breeder has always meant (in my experience anyway) a pet owner who breeds their pet quality dog without concern for for the health and quality of the offspring, but in an attempt to profit or at least recoup their investment in their pet. They aren't necessarily doing a disservice to their pet, but definitely to the breed in general.
Those who want their kids to experience "the miracle of life" by watching their dog or cat give birth and raise babies fall into this category. Then they scramble to find homes for the babies before their "profits" are eaten by providing food and (hopefully) health care.
I don't know how it would translate to the bird keeping world, but obviously was used in a derogatory fashion in this instance. Thank you for diffusing the debate.

Mayble...I do see your point but having dealt with some of the rescues for breed specific dogs. (we have a large number of mills, backyard breeders (in the rescue world it takes on a different note)).

The ones that take great care I breeding, find homes responsibly are termed "responsible breeders" and professional show breeders are and can be termed "responsible breeders" as well. This terming, there is such a gray area to it.

I think when you start attaching terms to things it can get messy, and for some insulting especially when you have seen up close some of the fallout from mills and Back yard breeding.

"Back yard breeders" here often are referred to in the more negative sense based on this experience. (the worst case scenario where the pens are in lines , small scale in the back yard, dogs in deplorable conditions, weak offspring and when the female is no longer producing she is let to go in the streets...this is what we see here and that is when our breed specific group comes into play)

Bottom line is we are all here for one purpose, the betterment of the birds, whether it is to learn share or help...respect and common courtesy is a must. Debate is good as long as it is not insulting or hurtful and certainly not done in a way to cause a member to leave.

[Ginene]

cindy@mayble...I agree with you both...not necessarily about the exact definition of a "backyard breeder," but that the term was used in a derogatory fashion in this instance.

Bottom line is we are all here for one purpose, the betterment of the birds, whether it is to learn share or help...respect and common courtesy is a must. Debate is good as long as it is not insulting or hurtful and certainly not done in a way to cause a member to leave.

I completely agree with you, Cindy.

[Sally]

Perhaps backyard breeder does not have the same connotation for everyone in every country. I personally do not find it offensive at all, my parents best all-time dog (AKC German Shepherd) came from what I would call a backyard breeder. My niece breeds champion show Westies, and I call her a backyard breeder. I think we all have to be careful when taking offense at terminology, which can mean vastly different things to different people.

This is an international forum, with many members from outside the U.S. Yes can actually mean no, snapping fingers for a waiter is quite acceptable in some parts of the world, burping is a compliment in many, tolerance is a virtue in all.

[Ginene]

This is an international forum, with many members from outside the U.S. Yes can actually mean no, snapping fingers for a waiter is quite acceptable in some parts of the world, burping is a compliment in many, tolerance is a virtue in all.

Well said Sally...I need to remind myself of this in the future. The written word, often times is misunderstood.

[dutch]

People let's get back on track

For any newbies.....if you need a vitamin supplement

Try soluvite d breeder......it's absolutely brilliant. ...just ask my 120 zebras and 23 gouldians.....they love it..

[Smurf]

JFYI,
There is an alternative to Soluvite D which I've used for the first time, starting 2 month's ago, with noticeable results. It's called Ferti-vit and its made by Oropharma (Versele Laga) from Belgium, meaning can be faster acquired by European guys, at least.

Bellow you can find the analysis per/kg:

Vitamin A 3.000.000 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 220.000 IU/kg
Vitamin E 45.000 mg/kg
Vitamin C 13.000 mg/kg
Vitamin K3 650 mg/kg
D-pantothenate calcium 2.400 mg/kg
Vitamin B1 900 mg/kg
Vitamin B2 3.500 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 1.300 mg/kg
Vitamin B12 6 mg/kg
Niacin 17.500 mg/kg
Biotin 33 mg/kg
Folic acid 330 mg/kg
L-lysine 20.000 mg/kg
DL-methionine 30.000 mg/kg
E1 - Iron (iron sulphate monohydrate) 2.500 mg/kg
E2 - Iodine (calcium iodate, anhydrous) 100 mg/kg
E4 - Copper (copper (II) sulphate pentahydrate) 500 mg/kg
E5 - Manganese (manganese sulphate monohydrate) 5.000 mg/kg
E6 - Zinc (zinc sulphate monohydrate) 4.500 mg/kg

For Soluvite D I've found the following composition:

Guaranteed Analysis (per kg):
Vitamins A 1,000,000 IU
D3 - 250.000 IU
E - 2,500 IU
K - 2000 mg
Niacin - 5,000 mg
Pantothenic Acid - 1,242 mg
Riboflavin - 1,200 mg
Thiamine - 470 mg
Pyridoxine - 400mg
Cyanocobalamin(B12) - 5 mg
Folic Acid - 225 mg
Choline Bitartrate - 40 mg
Biotin - 10 mg
Iodine - 200 mg

Web sources:
-Ferti-vit (http://www.oropharma.com/NUTRI/Nutritio ... &pro=18929)
-Soluvite D (https://www.birdsupplynh.com/catalog/pr ... ts_id=2113)




Daniel

Interesting topic except for the off-topic sidetrack
Just comparing above to std cede eggfood
http://cede.be/en/our-products/product/ ... otic-birds

And there's a huge difference in the vitamin concentrations if i'm reading it right.
I.E. / Kg = IU. /Kg (from wikipedia)

Cede is 2.000 IU of D3 compared to 220.000 IU in Ferti-vit
and Vitamin C 4 mg compared to 13.000 mg
This seems like a huge difference and doesn't even compare other vitamins etc

[Smurf]

On doing the calculations of orlux eggfood + ferti-vit

Orlux eggfood
http://www.orlux.be/Nutri/Nutrition/Pag ... 3&pro=3654

Contains
Vitamin D3 3.600 IU / kg
Vitamin C 100 mg / kg

Ferti-vit
http://www.oropharma.com/NUTRI/Nutritio ... &pro=18929

Contains
Vitamin D3 220.000 IU/kg
Vitamin C 13.000 mg/kg

Mixing ratio as per oropharma is 1g ferti-vit per 100g orlux eggfood which would equal 10g ferti-vit per 1Kg of eggfood which would equate to 1% i.e

Adding
Vitamin D3 2.200 IU/kg ( +61%)
Vitamin C 0.13 mg/kg ( +0.0013% )

to each Kg of eggfood

If my calculations are right then the increase in vitamin D3 is quite considerable when adding Ferti-vit