FINCHforum

Hi All,
the birds need more than these but with might and main we can try to provide to our birds:
wide variety of seeds
sprouted seeds
proteins
greens
NEVER pellets
eggfood
cuttle bone
grit
fresh water
and they need fresh air
sunlight
daylight
full of love
the finches love millet spray,dandelion,chickweed,thistle,mealworms,apple,fig/caprifig..
the birds should not be fed with one sided diet..
you can give all these EVERYDAY depends on the season less or more but everyday
in the wild they eat all these and more everyday..


lets try follow the nature please
batuhan

your going to start another arguement due to saying never pellets, maybe you need to express your opinion as to why those who do fed their birds pellets should not do so.
other than this I aint saying nothing on the pellets v seed saga,
do what you feel is best for your birds, if they are alive, healthy & breeding why change

I use pellets as do others on the forum, they are nutritionally balanced...you have repeated this topic now at least 3 times with almost the same exact post. Each time it gets into a debate with the same end results.

I appreciate what you do for your birds. But I have better things to do than to debate this with you yet again. I go based on my vet's advice...she has the science background and the degree in avian medicine and health.

Thanks for sharing!

thanks for sharing, again.
I aint saying anything about this, either.

Really?

the baby should be breastfeed untill 2 years old
many years ago the doctors were said till 3 month only
after that 6 month
and now they say 1 year and some of them 2 years.
but the age of the starting a baby on solid food 6 month..
do you know what I mean ?
you see the changing ?:dont worry a few years later they will say no need pallets follow the nature..
as you see everything is not as it is said ,as they are said..
I stand behind what I said before and as I said before we cant live with tablet foods,and the birds are the same they need wide variety of fresh greens,wide variety of seeds,sprouted seeds,grits,fresh water,fresh air,sun light,day light,etc....like in their wild life in nature.
they never need pallets
they only need what they need in the wild like us in our life..
batuhan

That is fine and dandy, but you only need to say it ONCE, meaning one time only. Stop bringing it up, it only causes drama.

I don't know, I really don't see the relationship between feeding babies and birds... I do get that you are trying to give an argument as to why you think pellets shouldn't be used, but that example, to me, kind of falls flat. I mean, you might as well of said that people hundreds of years ago thought the earth was flat, but now it is proven and agreed upon that it is a sphere. Perhaps you could provide some kinds of examples or something? The argument of following nature, again to me, works, but it is sort of a different strokes for different folks type of thing. Again, I do kind of get your argument, and I don't mean disrespect at all. You could almost take your argument and apply it to anything, such as human medicines and trying to treat illnesses using natural means. I would be very interested if you gave an example of a bird that you had that was fed pellets, and ended up not being as healthy as one fed seeds and other natural things. Personally, I don't see much of a difference in the pellets vs. seeds thing. If you feed either to your birds, you should still try to provide them with other things that they would get in the wild, such as lots of exercise, water, sunlight and many other things that escape my mind at the moment. Sorry to open a can of worms here...

Hi All,
I never want to argument ..
I just want to share with you..

http://www.parrotparrot.com/articles/aa082200.htm

batuhan

Thanks for the article batuhan. I found it to be interesting and informative. I think, ultimately, this issue will never be resolved unless there is some large scientific study that looks at the effects of pellets on birds. There probably is one out there, but I just don't have the time to go searching for it right now. The article you posted got at what I was kind of trying to say in my previous post. Pellets don't have a bird's daily diet wrapped into one little package, so you should feed them other things along with the pellets. The article sort of went against your position of "never use pellets," because the person who wrote the article openly admits to using them, but they supplement their birds' diet with other food as well. I'm sure everyone, whether they feed their birds pellets or not, would agree that more is needed in a diet. Again, I apologize for openning the can of worms, so let's just leave it.

Very interesting article. Went and looked up the Lafeber's pellets and the one for cockatiels, parakeets, parrot, macaw, cockatoo, canary and finches all have the EXACT same ingredients.
Very interesting.
Thanks for the link to that article

I think any time you try and replace a natural food with a processed, bleached, cooked at high heat, vitamin fortified uniform product you are of course going to have problems. Whether it be a baby human, aniamal or bird that is fed this solely.
I think offering pellets alongside seed, greens, insects and other natural foods are fine. Most birds will eat the natural over the pellets anyway. I offer some pellets to my birds diets and if they eat them..... fine and if they don't, fine. I think you run into problems when you feed only pellets without seed, vegatables, etc.
One of the biggest problems we foound when the pet store that I managed switched to an all seed diet (and yes it was approved by vets) was the problem with constipation of the birds and bloat. The birds would consume large quanities..then they would need to drink larger amounts of water and the food would swell and cause much doscomfort and illness. Our personal avian vet said they needed roughage and oils that they get from the seed..and never from the pellets. He scolded us and inquired why we had put the birds on this diet. We said because of the mess they make with the seed .....
That was 25 years ago and unfortunately pellets have not changed much in that time.
But I think that pellets mixed with natural diets are fine and I think that is what ruffles some of the members feathers here. I think very few, if any, feed only pellets. Even zoos here that feed pelleted diets also allow the animals to forage for thier foods and offer fruits and veggies.
I personnally grow organic greens, fruits, veggies for myself and the birds.... buy I also take a multivitamin most everyday. I also eat many cereals that are vitamin fortified...I look at it as they are my pelleted foods

I agree Candace. I always heard people argue that the pellets were made specifically for each type of bird. I was rather suprised when Lafeber's ingredients were all the same no matter which type of bird it was. Don't know if the other brands are the same or not though.

Batuhan,

Thanks for sharing - there is always going to be people that agree or disagree no matter what. Pellets to me are like politics, religion and now health care!