Trimethoprim Sulfa dose?

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Post by fairestfinches » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:32 pm

Hi, H2O!

The male could still be infected with coccidiosis but not as much as before when he was showing signs in the droppings. Likewise, he could still have a URI or other type of infection that hasn't been eradicated. Also, I think I remember you saying that you had already treated the birds for airsac mites. It's also possible that, with this male not singing, he might have airsac mites that wasn't eradicated with the prior treatment.

What is the recommended dosage on the tetracycline you have?

The problem with ingredients being listed in I.U.'s is that different substances that may have the same I.U. can have different weights. So, it can be difficult to convert I.U.'s to milligrams or teaspoons. For example, the tetracycline that we use and sell -- Tetratex -- is FDA guaranteed human grade tetracycline hydrochloride, and each level teaspoon of Tetratex contains 250 mg of tetracycline.

The product you have is a combination of tetracycline and erythromycin. And, with the I.U. information, I don't have any way of determining how many milligrams of tetracycline are in, say, a teaspoon to know whether the dosage rate is strong enough or not.

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Post by H2015 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:08 am

Hi Michele! Thanks a lot for your quick response!!

The dosage for the medicine I got is 1 tsp per quart of water.

Two days ago I applied SCATT again on all the birds cause 21 days passed since the first application. So if he does have any mites left I think this should take care of it.

Now I'm not sure now if I should isolate him and retreat with T-sulfa or Tetracycline or mix both at the same time? :?

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Post by fairestfinches » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:51 am

I wouldn't combine the T-Sulfa and tetracycline.

1 teaspoon of tetracycline to 1 quart isn't a very strong dose unless the tetracycline is very concentrated. For example, Tetratex is mixed at the rate of 1 teaspoon to 8 oz of water. It's concentration is 250 mg per level teaspoon. Can you find out from the company where you purchased the tetracycline what the concentration is?

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Post by H2015 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:09 am

I searched everywhere last night for another Tetracycline treatment and couldn't find any. I spoke to a vet and he told me the one I got is the best I could find around here but he couldn't help me with the concentration.

The product is called Lutricyline by a French company (Vetoquinol), there's hardly any info on it online but I found the company's website and emailed them - hopefully they will respond soon.

For the time being, should I retreat? He's not getting any worse, still very much the same.

Anyhow, thanks a lot Michele :)

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Post by fairestfinches » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:00 pm

Where are you located? Your previous post leads me to think you're not in the US.

I would think that a vet who is familiar with Lutricyline might know its concentration, but I guess not. Hmm.

After reviewing our discussions again, my suggestion would be to retreat with the Lutricyline first.

Let me know if you are able to find out what the Lutricyline's concentration is!

:) Michele

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Post by H2015 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:04 am

Hey Michele, I live in Dubai (UAE).

Today's the 5th and last day of treating with Lutricyline but no sound yet and he still stands with the same posture.

The company responded saying the concentration of Tetracycline is 3% (out of 200g Lutricyline). They didn't give me the concentration in mg and I don't know if the percentage would be any help.

I also noticed that his poop is slightly dark and greenish now so I'm thinking of using T-sulfa for another 10 days again but not sure if I should extend Lutricyline first?

Fortunately he's not doing too bad, he does take a bath every now and then and eats normally so at least he's not dying like he seemed he was the past three months.

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Post by fairestfinches » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:46 pm

Hi, H2O!

*Usually* dark green droppings are a sign of a Coccidiosis infection. In which case, the T-Sulfa is used to treat.

The problem with the concentration as a percentage is that we don't know what the density of Lutricyline is. We know it's a powder, but different powders have different densities -- i.e., baking soda has a density of 87 grams per milileter while U.K. self-rising flour has a density of 47 g/ml. If you had 200 grams of baking soda, it would convert to about 65 UK teaspoons. Likewise, 200 grams of UK self-rising flour converts to about 120 UK teaspoons.

So, without knowing the density of the Lutricyline, I can't tell you what the concentration of tetracycline is in miligrams. I can only tell you that there are 6 grams of tetracycline in 200 grams of Lutricyline. But, to convert that into the number of miligrams per teaspoon, I would need to know the density of Lutricyline.

But, if he's still showing the same symptoms after taking the medication, it doesn't sound like it did much to resolve the respiratory infection.

The dark green droppings are more of an issue. And, it could be that his problem is simply a coccidiosis infection and once it's cleared up his symptoms will resolve.

My suggestion would be to put him back on the T-Sulfa for at least another 10 days to see if that doesn't clear up the droppings.

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Post by H2015 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:41 pm

I had him on T-sulfa for 3 days now, and I'm thinking of keeping him on it for 2 weeks (so 11 more days). Hopefully this works out well *fingers crossed*

Thank you Michele!!

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Post by fairestfinches » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:30 am

Hi, H2O!

You're very welcome, Hon! I sure wish I could be of more help, though.

But, my fingers are crossed for you and your little fella!!

Please let me know if there are any changes to his condition!

:) Michele

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Post by H2015 » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:45 am

HE SANG

It was very thinly and for a second I thought I was hallucinating so I had to take him to another quieter room and listen closely and he could really chirp the first note from his song!!!!!!! I almost cried!!!! LOL

He should be done from T-Sulfa after 3 days (it'll be 14 days) but I think I should wait longer since just now improvement started to show and it's alright if he ends up infertile as long as he recovers and lives comfortably.

He's also starting to molt so hopefully he recovers soon but I just had to let you know about this!!! Thank you soooo much Michelle and everyone that gave advice!!

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Post by FeatherHarp » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:56 am

I am so happy for you H2015...especially after all you have been through. We love updates....let us know if he keeps singing! :D

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Post by jabo322 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:06 pm

That's great, I'm so happy for you. Here's hoping he continues to a full recovery. :D
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Post by fairestfinches » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:37 pm

That is totally EXCELLENT news H2O!!!! I am so doing the happy dance for ya!! Whoooo Hoooo!!

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Post by H2015 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:49 am

It's been over 2 weeks since my last update.

His molt was a mini one, new feathers are out so I'm glad about that.

He's much more active, his sound is louder, still can't sing like the others, but I can hear him across the room and there's more sounds coming out.

He's not skinny anymore and eats well!

He takes a bath daily which I take as a great sign.

I rarely see the hunched back posture, maybe once in awhile but not constantly like before.

I had him resting on just seed mix and vitamins the past two weeks. I plan on using probiotics this week.

I'm planning on keeping him isolated until he completely recovers, when he manages to sustain a healthy condition for a period of time then I'll put him in a flight cage with one of my goulds.

Thanks a lot everyone!! When he's better I'll post pictures :)

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Post by Sally » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:07 am

That's great news! After all you have been thru, it's wonderful to see a good outcome in sight.

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