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what is wrong with handfeeding ...

Post by marwan5685 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:40 am

hi every one .... hope that you are ok ...
this is the first post for me .. and the most bad one i thought ...
the site have amazing information's ..

i have this Chick . i dont know what happen to him .. evry thing was fine for those five days .. and today i Shocked with this picture ..

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its very painful .. and shocking ... i dont know i will not try to hand-feeding them any more even that they will die in the nest ..

its the first try for me ... and i thought its the most bad one that may any one had ..

still dont know why ... i give him a a seeds Crushed like powder with water ..
hope that this picture is helpful for the site ..

TC ..
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Re: what is wrong with handfeeding ...

Post by Sally » Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:59 am

I know how hard it is to lose the ones you handfeed, there is a special bond there. But it is a very difficult task, with many failures. This looks like a Cordon Bleu baby, and they are especially difficult to handfeed. They are so tiny when first hatched, that is the first hurdle. It is so hard to get food into their tiny beaks without aspirating them. Then in the wild, they are normally raised on insects alone for about the first week, so we have to give them a very high protein handfeeding formula. You were trying to feed them by crushing seed, but that diet is too low in protein for these babies. Without a commercial handfeeding formula, you can mash the yolk of a hard-boiled egg, then thin it out with water till it is like a very thin cream soup, and try feeding that. Also, using a leg banding tool makes it easier to feed with less chance of aspirating. You just scoop a tiny bit of food in the groove of the tool, hold it upside down, tap the baby's beak till it opens, insert the tool just barely into the beak, and it should lick the food off the tool. And despite early success, you can lose them any time from hatching to fledging.

So don't be discouraged, you took on a daunting task. You did the best you could. I once contacted a woman who is known to do lots of handfeeding, and asked her for tips. The first thing she said was that she had killed lots of babies before she was successful. African waxbills are among the harder species to handfeed, Australian grassfinches are much easier.

That said, welcome to the forum. If you will fill out your profile with your location, it will make it easier to tell you where to get any supplies you might need. And there is a wealth of information at the Finch Information Center, linked at left, including an article on handfeeding.
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Re: what is wrong with handfeeding ...

Post by marwan5685 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:21 am

thanks alot ... i know that hand feeding its hard to do .. especially from the first days of hatching ..
its a zebra chick .. sorry i should write that ...
mother is CFW .. and father is black cheek ... i am working for CFW black cheek :) ..

any way .. something i must say too ... the applesauce with food ... its work like magic ...
actually i dont think that we have a spicial formula in the markets here ...
the egg is the best choice i think ...

thanks for your support again
waiting the next chance ...
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Post by Sally » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:26 am

I should have realized that wasn't a Cordon Bleu--didn't have quite enough fuzz! You are right, applesauce can be added to the formula, especially if they get even the tiniest bit of diarrhea, as it can clear that problem up swiftly. And I have to correct myself when I said that Australian grassfinches are much easier, all species are hard to handfeed, it's just that the waxbills are a bit harder due to their size and protein requirements.
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Re: what is wrong with handfeeding ...

Post by B CAMP » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:29 am

marwan5685
Welcome to the forum good luck with handfeeding,did the parents stop feeding?
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Post by L in Ontario » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:31 pm

Welcome marwan from Syria! I'm very sorry for the loss of this chick. Hopefully the parents will look after all future babies.
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Re: what is wrong with handfeeding ...

Post by marwan5685 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:43 pm

B CAMP wrote:marwan5685
Welcome to the forum good luck with hand-feeding ,did the parents stop feeding?
thanks again every body ..

its the first time for this pair of zebra in breeding ... usually i lose one or tow chicks because her lack of experience ..
so i keep one of the zebra chick ... to learn how to hand-feeding now ..

i have new pair of Gouldian also and its the first time for them in breeding too .. i am afraid from tossing the chicks .. so ..to learn now better than future ..


still reading alot of useful information's in this site .. maybe the next time will be better ..

TC folks ..
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Post by dfcauley » Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:27 am

Welcome to the forum and sorry for your loss.
Zebras are usually very good parents. Maybe they will get it right next time. [-o<
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Post by jimlas43 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:55 am

If you go to LadyGouldian.com you can find handmade cropfeeding tubes that they sell and I highly reccomend them for the youngest of birds. I wouldn't of been able to hand feed my day old owl's if it weren't for them. Applesause is good to keep the crop from souring if their digestion is slow at first. Of course temperature has everything to do with digestion as well. If you were by any chance feeding the baby before the yolksac disolved then it might have died from yoke poison. They only need a little tiny amount of pedielite with just a touch of bird formula while they still have the yok sac.
I think it's best if we raise finches to have on hand certain supplies just in case the need arrises to save a little life :o)
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Post by MLaRue » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:02 am

I'm sorry you lost the baby. :( Seeing this baby it looks bloated on the one side of the crop and the body itself. Yeast will cause the crop to bloat like that and if not treated it will kill the baby.

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