Coccidia...Cocci-care information and other treatments.

[cindy]

Foy's carries several treatments and meds...not sure if these are ok to use on finches. They carry Trimethoprim/Sulfa Powder

http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/catal ... iosis.html

Other caged bird related items and meds

http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/catalog/cagebird.html

[lou]

yep, they are
lou

[nixity]

Thanks for your help...right now I have birds that I adopted in quarantine, they have been dewormed, given a full week of Roivet S and I am about to give Cocci-care....is this ok to use for now (until I can purchase Baycox...and open the windows?

I guess it can't really hurt anything, if they're all currently housed together and you keep the cage pretty clean and dry I'm not terribly sure it's all that necessary. I.e., I'd just wait until the Baycox arrives..

I want to treat everyone at the same time, new and original birds. I really want to make sure the adopted birds are not carrying anything, especially the societies. Can cocci-care be given to parent birds with young in the nest and weaning. Am I leaving anything else out?

Yes, it can, and when I first treated my entire flock with Baycox I did so with babies of pretty much every age and I didn't have any problems.

[cindy]

Tiffany, most of my birds are housed in pairs except for 5 adult owls in the main flight which now includes babies. My shaft tail are in a large flight but I am moving the pairs apart since they are in breeding mode. The zebra mutations are mostly mine, houses by pairs except for a cage or two of young.

I am definately going to treat with cocci-care the newcomers and the fawn male zebra from Petco.

I have not added anyone new in a long time, the new comers are within the latst 2 and half weeks, they are all in quarantine.

The one issue I am having is with my favorite BC zebra female. Anytime she is given eggfood, either boiled or powdered/dry and she is sitting/feeding young her feet swell. I have given heat, greens to help dilute the protein. This morning I removed the egg and replaced it with extra pellets and romaine and she is moving around better. Her system, possibly the kidneys may not be able to process the higher amount of protein combined with constant sitting may make for some sort of gout situation or fluid in her feet. The feet are not bleeding and no sign of a flat foot on the underside as with bumble foot. Her feet just puff up. Herb salad also helps with this. She returns back to normal when the young fledge and she is not sitting as much.

[CandoAviary]

[quote="cindy"]
The one issue I am having is with my favorite BC zebra female. Anytime she is given eggfood, either boiled or powdered/dry and she is sitting/feeding young her feet swell. I have given heat, greens to help dilute the protein. This morning I removed the egg and replaced it with extra pellets and romaine and she is moving around better. Her system, possibly the kidneys may not be able to process the higher amount of protein combined with constant sitting may make for some sort of gout situation or fluid in her feet. The feet are not bleeding and no sign of a flat foot on the underside as with bumble foot. Her feet just puff up. quote]

Cindy,
You hen could be suffering from gout. (articular) Birds on a pelleted diets sometimes have these troubles due to the high protein in these diets, especially the breeder's formulas. Other causes can be from birds fed excessive calcium and vitamin D, birds fed high protein like the egg food you mentioned, and birds that don't drink enough water. Or any bird that has damage to the kidneys from prior use of certain antibiotics. You can increase the water consuption by feeding lettuces. Also diluted cherry juice without sugar in the water tube is a good herbal remedy.

A vet's recomendation if gout is suspected:
"Birds that suffer from gout should be fed a diet no higher than 15% crude protein. A diet of this protein level can be produced by cutting an avian pelleted diet with approximately one third Quaker oatmeal. These birds also benefit from the judicious use of a vitamin supplement. Feeding the diet moist is also a good idea since copious water intake helps flush waste products through the kidneys.
http://www.ehow.com/about_6328141_gout-parrots.html"

A mention on the Avian Web Site
"◦Note: Birds that have a tendency towards developing gout should be fed a diet low in protein. Plant based protein is not as likely to induce gout, but it can - if fed in large amounts. A diet too high in protein diet can also put a pet bird into breeding or hormonal mode."

I have had success with canaries and gout issues by feeding less pelleted diets or by cutting with oats

[cindy]

Candace I have read up now and in the past on the cases of gout in both birds and humans...the proteins can be a problem, doubt it is the pellets. My Avian vet would not recommend them it was to be an issue. Like I said it was/is apparent when egg/protein is added to her diet, excercise decreases due to sitting.

Surprisingly one of the diet no no's for humans with a particuliar gout is oatmeal.

She is getting plenty of water and green which high in water content helps to wash the proteins out of the kidneys and system. Also once she stops her sitting and motherly duties and resumes activities the swelling dissapates. This is only an issue when parenting and eggfood is provided.

Dogs that are fed nothing but a dry kibble diet have a tendency to have kidney issues, same principal add moist food and some water and it adds in a healthier system with less chance of kidney/bladder issues. I have been through this with our dog. The breeder gave her nothing but dry...bladder infection and crystals present in her urine.

[CandoAviary]

Most practicing small animal /avian vets that I have ever met recommend and also sell the pellets I find it interesting that most of the vets and biologist that research, study and write the books that we read on finches: like Dr. Marshall, Dr. Pryke, Dr. Martin, Dr. Gelis, Dr McDonald and other finch experts all recommend a seed, both dried and sprouted, and veggie diet...
Though pellets are simpler. I do feed pellets and in past times exclusively. The breeder's blends (higher protein) did cause me some gout problems with some birds.. not all... guess it depends on their kidney functioning. Just trying to help in maybe solving a similar problem that I had with feet swelling Hope your hen is back up on skinny feet in no time

[cindy]

Candace I do believe the Breeder Blends are higher in protein and other ingredients than the maintenance formula. A bird may be fine on the pellets and it's protein content but boost that protein percentage up and it may push a bird past the tolerance level and problems arise.

I have decided to retire the pair for about 8 months, see how she is and then decide to breed her or not. Sad, she is an excellent mom and even fosters.

Roudybush breeder high energy
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein 19.0% min
Crude Fat 7.0% min
Crude Fiber 2.0% max
Moisture 12.0% max

Roudybush Maintenance
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Minimum 11.0%
Crude Fat Minimum 7.0%
Crude Fiber Maximum 3.5%
Moisture Maximum 12.0%

the protein is 7% higher in the breeders blends

Zupreem fruit blend is what I use

Crude Protein Not less than 14.0%
Crude Fat Not less than 4.0%
Crude Fiber Not greater than 3.5%
Moisture Not greater than 10.0%

Protein in Zupreem is higher than Roudybush but lower in fat and moisture content. I used roudybush for years wilth all hookbills..the finches got it ground in dried eggfood in an egg cup. It is easier to get them all to eat the Zupreem than Roudybush. You also have to consider ingredient.

[CandoAviary]

Also with the addition of chitted seed and boiled eggs..... can raise protein.
When breeding canaries I would start them all on the same diet for breeding.. some would have gout problems, others wouldn't. I found I had to tweak the protein levels for some as they were just more prone to gout. Unfortunately they tended to pass this pedipositon onto their offsprings so they were gradually weeded out and sold as pets in attempts to breed gout resistant canaries. This bunch of canaries I bought late spring of this year had 2 that reacted poorly to a higher protein diet.... though they were on a seed base diet, just addition of eggfood and boiled eggs, and pellets mixed with the seed.(maintenance roudybush and Zupreem) I don't know all of the backgrounds, previous medication use, etc...so not sure why some have this tendancy. I found that by given them bath water daily really helps in the consumption of water.
Hopefully your hen will not have to be retired since she is such a good hen. Maybe after a rest she will do better.

[cindy]

After two days of greens and heat she has improved. Today is the big pull trays and bleach day...I am noticing with the zebras especially that there is a large amount of uneaten seed on the tray floor...the bowls contain a lot of powder from eating pellets...I am switching them over to pellets with a small cup of seed twice a week along with veggies...the cost and waste of seed is an indication that they prefer pellets, the seed of choice though is the large white millet when feeding young. I may just do white millet as a treat, pellets...a mix of Roudybush and Zupreem.

Even with feeders and hoppers I see the trend of what my birds prefer.

[finchmix22]

I use the Zupreem and Lafeber's pellet granuales. The Lafeber granuales have Crude Protein (Min) 15%, Crude Fat (Min) 5%, Crude Fiber (Max) 3%, Moisture (Max)10.5%, Omega 3 Fatty Acids (Min) 0.27%, Omega 6 Fatty Acids (Min) 2.02%. My finches seem to prefer the Lafeber pellets to the Zupreem, but I offer both. I add a smaller portion of Econutrition Seed/Pellet mix too. Plus, grated broccoli, carrots, and Romaine lettuce. Grapes as a treat now and then and the eggfood for parents, fledglings and juvies.

[cindy]

Have you tried the fruit blend by Zupreem? My finches would not touch the natural Zupreem. The fat content in Roudybush is lower than the the others.

you can order direct from Lafeber

http://www.lafeber.com/pinnacle/index.p ... nt=27&pg=1

[wyzandrea]

At present, hundreds of Cocci-care health products have been developed at home and abroad (oral liquid, tablet, capsule, powder, etc.). Yogurt in our daily life and so on which have no chronic toxicity are Cocci-care products.

[cindy]

this is a rather old topic and since then many more products have come out/become available for prevention and for treatments. I refer to glamgouldians.com One of the treatments commonly recommended for cocci is tri-sulfa which is sold on the site mentioned, very safe to use on young chicks in the nest. http://www.glamgouldians.com/product-tr ... fa.php.php

[cindy]

It is very important after any antibiotic given to use a good probiotic to help restore the GI gut flora antibiotics can kill off.