Campylobacter and Cochlosoma (C&C)

[wellingtoncdm]

Go to pages 1189 and 1190 in regards to both issues. http://www.ivis.org/advances/harrison_2/chap43.pdf

I have definite "clean" societies but I would like to acquire additional colors-mutations.

You can foster the new mutation's eggs under clean societies. I did this with whites and crested and it worked. I would never let unknown societies near the clean ones.

[CandoAviary]

Taht's a very clever idea Charlie

[DanteD716]

Hmm, that's odd. I have had societies for 15+ years now and I have never seen adult societies feed each other. I have seen canaries, green singers, and hook bills do this, however.

You are positive that C&C is spread exclusively via fluid? And you are certain that it is not spread airborne as well? In regards to your zebra finch comment -- I am almost positive I have read somewhere that zebras can be carriers of C&C; at least the cochlosoma.



http://www.oropharma.nl/gauss/Pages/EN/ ... llaten.htm

It was just an example about the zebras, I do.not know if they carry either. And my societies feed each other, it may be just mine! And I said I was nit sure about it being airborn

[debbie276]

Here's a bit about cochlosoma's life cycle:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ZP4Pex ... le&f=false

[Cath1068]

I would like to aquire some societies for when my gouldians breed next year. I do plan to keep them caged seperately but was wondering if there was a treatment you could do to eliminate c&c from possible dirty societies. I cant afford testing and my space at the moment is limited.

[Dayna]

I would like to aquire some societies for when my gouldians breed next year. I do plan to keep them caged seperately but was wondering if there was a treatment you could do to eliminate c&c from possible dirty societies. I cant afford testing and my space at the moment is limited.

There are things you can use to treat C and C while they are feeding chicks but it is debated upon because you haveto start treating the societies before the eggs hatch and keep medicating them till the babies are pulled from the societies so initially the babies are getting all the meds that the societies are and lots of people don't like medicating babies

[debbie276]

There are things you can use to treat C and C while they are feeding chicks but it is debated upon because you haveto start treating the societies before the eggs hatch and keep medicating them till the babies are pulled from the societies so initially the babies are getting all the meds that the societies are and lots of people don't like medicating babies

The treatment for Campylobacter has to be given to the society's BEFORE the eggs hatch because the medication will have adverse effects on the growing chicks.
The treatment for Cochlosoma is safe for chicks because it will not hinder their development, though it will subdue development of their immune system. The society's must be treated every other week the entire time the chicks are being fed till they are eating on their own.

I think the issue is more that the constant medication does not allow the chicks to develop their own strong immune system. Therefore, many believe the chicks produced may be weaker.

[ac12]

Cath
If you can find a gouldian breeder that also sells societies, that is the best method, as the societies are more likely to be "clean."

Otherwise, you have to do as I do, keep them separate and give them a couple gouldian eggs or hatchlings to foster. The chick will die at 2 different stages depending on which disease it has.


Here are my notes on the diseases:

Campylobacter and Cochlosoma / C & C disease of gouldians when fostered by societies

Campylobacter
• Usually causes dead Gouldian nestlings around 10-14 days of age or so (still in the nest).
• Not curable, but treatment for adults is an antibiotic erythromycin, "Ornacyn Plus" at PetsMart

Cochlosoma
Cochlosoma usually results in Gouldians that die
• Common in Bengalese finches – as asymptomatic carriers
• Symptoms: debilitation, “shriveling and staining yellow of the fledglings,” difficulty molting, non-digested seed in droppings
• Chick dies shortly before or after fledgling
• Or just simply fail to thrive and dies before weaning.
• Not curable, but treatment for adults is Ronivet

[bugaboo5]

Thank you everyone for their input and supplementary texts. From what I have gathered from the information provided, cochlosoma is spread via fecal-oral matters. And I'm assuming campylobacter is also spread the same way.

I will not be adding any societies into my environment unless I know for sure they are clean of these two elements. I would LOVE to do the fostering route but this is super hard with society mutations; especially when they are not selfs. I was hoping to incorporate some dilute silvers, dilute grays, and some pearls but finding eggs to foster for mutation societies is close to impossible versus going to a fair and finding a fully mature bird, but not knowing if they are clean. Thanks for all the help!

[Cath1068]

It will be awhile before I get some gould eggs so would it be possible to let them raise their own young or are their young also not sensitive to the bacterias ? My other question is is if I were to get "clean" societies could they live in the same flight with my goulds ?

[debbie276]

If you get clean society's I would not recommend housing them with the gouldians. Society's are very pushy when it comes to piling up in a nest, it is very likely they would push the goulds out of their nests not giving the gouldians a chance for success.

[nixity]

It will be awhile before I get some gould eggs so would it be possible to let them raise their own young or are their young also not sensitive to the bacterias ? My other question is is if I were to get "clean" societies could they live in the same flight with my goulds ?

Their own young wouldn't be susceptible - and the other issues is that sometimes if you let societies breed and raise their own, they may not foster a species like Gouldians which look WAY different and have a much different begging behavior.

[Jasmin]

Thank you all for this Thread!
Very informative and I'm glad I came across it!
You learn something new everyday...