Air Sac Mites or Respiratory Infection?

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:42 pm

if you are hearing a labored breathing either she has a respiratory issue, she is eggbound (hens not breeding should not have nests) or there is some other issue going on either environmental.

I have not had issues like that with Lafebers... did you look at her nares, any fluid, anything plugging the nostril.

I would get her home, put a heat lamp on her, give her something to eat and watch her.

The video of her on her swing is very difficult to hear. If she starts "coughing" try to get a video of it.

My opinion she was not an effective avian vet... sorry that happened to you, they are all not like that.

Baytril has been given to birds, some avian vets do not have the experience working with small finches since most the time folks do not bring them in.

Can you try to get another video

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:49 pm

cindy I don't see an egg stuck anywhere..

There is nothing in her nose, no discharge or fluid. She has seeds, water, and millet. She is hiding under her toy mirror. The video is crappy quality, its on my cell phone. If you turn the volume all the way up you can hear the noise. It sounds sort of sticky (if that makes sense).

Trying for another video now.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:07 pm

Did you check her for ASM as Debbie and I suggested?

I used a different computer and could hear the sound.

If this is ASM I did find this on ladygouldian.com... s76 "Individual Bird Treatment
Individual birds with symptoms of air-sac mites should be removed to the hospital cage for treatment. Treat with emergency support - Thrive, NV Powder or Quik- Gel - one day before the application of the undiluted S76. Apply directly to the skin on the bird’s neck for 5 consecutive days. Continue using the emergency support in the drinking water (mix fresh daily) for the 5 days of treatment."

Again we are not 100% sure this is ASM.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:09 pm

cindy I'm about to examine her now. Just got a video, it's processing and ill upload it soon.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:32 pm

cindy No mites that I could find.

However, I found this... it's appears to be a cheesy yellow lining in her crop.. makes no sense since shes been getting medistatin...

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:55 pm

looks like some kind of growth.... let me have someone look. Again in a situation like this you need a good avian vet with finch experience.

Keep her warm and comfortable for now.

The mass may go deeper than it looks and might be making it harder for her to breathe.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:10 pm

It's not solid at all. Her neck looks fine and I dont see a mass. I just moved her crop so you could see it which is probably why it looks like a solid growth. I was moving her crop to check for seeds and thats when I noticed it.. looks like a lining/coating. I dont think the usual crop color is like that.

@cindy She's under a heat lamp. & Yeah, she didn't even check Coopers crop, stomach, nothing! Everyone here has helped me 10000x more than she did! She says she specializes in avian medicine which was why I was so happy to have found her. But she couldnt help Cooper :/

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:30 pm

cindy Got a much better quality video.. Hope this helps.

https://goo.gl/photos/n1au2gxVJqZ7UK6a6

Spreckles · Post by **Spreckles** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:49 pm

do you have an avian vet? Mr Meepin was just sick and now this. sometimes it's a good idea to bite the bullet and pay the pro's.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:54 pm

Spreckles I think you missed the last couple of posts, I just went today and she told me that she couldn't do anything for her. She referred me to an avian vet across the state and said they might not be able to do much either

She said she had baytril but wasn't going to give it to cooper since shes too small and too young (close to 5 months). She claimed to be a specialist in avian medicine.

wildbird · Post by **wildbird** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:06 pm

Better that she didn't do anything than to give her something that would make her worse.

Spreckles · Post by **Spreckles** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:25 pm

your right! I posted a second post since I don't know how to delete saying that I missed the vet notes. Skim reading whoops. sorry the birds are so sick.

wildbird · Post by **wildbird** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:27 pm

Just reading your posts and thinking that your putting an awful lot of medication into this tiny bird without knowing what is wrong. I would think that might cause adverse reactions. Is there any possability that she might have gotten a piece of that string in her?

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:43 pm

wildbird Both her and Meepin had poop issues previously which is why they were on those medications. The poop issue is mostly resolved and their last dose is tomorrow.

I don't think she would've gotten string in her, she hardly plays with it. She's more into her swing and mirror while Meepin's the one who loves string and bells. Who knows though. If she has anything in her (a seed, string, etc) the vet isnt willing to touch her since she's so small. Laraine from LadyGouldian suggested mites as well, but she hasn't been exposed to any birds other than Meepin and he doesn't have mites.

@cindy once it's time for the probiotic, is that in the water or in the egg?

wildbird · Post by **wildbird** » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:48 pm

If you add anything to her water, be sure she is drinking it, as many birds will not drink tainted water and could die of dehydration.

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