Air Sac Mites or Respiratory Infection?

[finchlover24]

wildbird I've been watching her like a hawk since I've gotten home. She definitely drinks the water What's weird is shes fluffed up like the video which scares me half to death, and decides to get food and water as if shes fine, and then goes to fluff up again.

I don't know when the finch "puberty" age is for girls, but Cooper hasn't laid her first egg yet and shes nearly 5 months old. Not sure if that has to do with anything.

[cindy]

the medication tri sulfa and ronex were to help with issues dues to parasites, likely has noting to do with the mass on her back. From what you have said the male has improved.

I sent the pictures off and will let you know their thoughts on the mass on her back. How is her breathing?

[cindy]

probiotics can be done in egg or water... if you do it via water make sure you change it out once a day. If they eat the egg food for you I would do that since you know they will eat it completely.

Glad the meds helped your birds.

Not to worry... ronex is fairly safe even at 4 x's the powder to one part water. Neither meds they were on would have an adverse reaction, causing a mass on the back.

[finchlover24]

cindy its not a mass. I know the picture looks like that, but its just me moving the crop over so you can see the yellow lining. Sorry for the confusing picture :/

[finchlover24]

cindy Is there anything that I can do for her? Medication? Something? I cant stand seeing her like this

[finchlover24]

cindy Her breathing was rapid with the squeaking, now its slow. Shes at the corner of her cage in between her millet. I wont know how she is until 11 since im stuck in class. I changed her to the probiotics since she has no need for the antibiotics and needs an immune system. She hasnt drank anything yet. It doesnt look like shes going to make it.

[cindy]

cindy No mites that I could find.

However, I found this... it's appears to be a cheesy yellow lining in her crop.. makes no sense since shes been getting medistatin...

Is this on her back or more near the crop? Really unclear what this is.

Showed this to someone and depending where it is on the body it may be a tear in the air sac which they said if the tear is small it may heal itself as long as she can get enough air.

or if near the crop it may be a split in the crop wall.

Checking on the cheesy yellow coloring... may have nothing to do with the reasons for treating with medistatin, she was on that for only 7 days. Fatty deposits can be a thick yellow color but you usually see them in the abdomen associated with fatty liver disease.

http://www.birdchannel.com/bird-diet-an ... tumor.aspx

You may need to consult an avian vet that treats finches.

[finchlover24]

cindy It's her crop. I just moved her crop over. She didn't have any food in it at the time so it was easy to move. Nothing on her back.
Not a tumor at all either. It's just a yellow lining.

I spoke with Laraine and she said it was a completely bad idea to give Cooper the medication (trisulfa,ronex, and medistatin) and she says thats what most likely lead to her condition now. I should have given KD water cleanser and separated her for 2 days. I have no idea what to do or think about that. It made sense to give her antibiotics in case she caught it from Meepin. She was fine on the medication too.. she only got bad on day 6. If it were to react badly, I'd think shed show signs earlier no?

Is Baytril worth it right now? If yes, then I'll place the order right now. I just want to know if I should even try that or something else to help her. I'm almost 100% sure its not mites. No exposure to birds with mites and I raised her since she was a baby. Something else mustve been in her immune system prior to the antibiotics.

Thank you so much to everyone on here who has helped me with this. I really really hope I can help Cooper pull through this.

[cindy]

I spoke with the lady you ordered food and meds from (you emailed her yesterday) and showed her the picture and she said it looks like food in the crop (you were feeding egg with medistatin). She said it is highly unlikely that an antibiotic, antiparasitic and antifungal caused infection. I may be canker, ronivet should have cleared up but sometimes it requires more, stronger dose, longer. Tri-sulfa is also very easy on gut flora. Mild antibiotic.

[cindy]

your hen was exposed to the other bird and everything you used was mild.

[finchlover24]

cindy Exactly. She was only on it for 7 days. If it was too much, then she would've been sick earlier.

Honestly, after all of this, I think she had something prior to the antibiotic (when her twirling/seizure thing happened) that we didn't know about. She didn't show any signs. Once she went on the antibiotic, her immune system became suppressed, and whatever she had was allowed to develop.

Possibly egg bound if its in her abdomen and I can't see/feel it? Tiny egg? She's been getting calcium though... She's never been "active" and hasnt laid her first egg yet (hopefully will be 5 months old on friday).

[finchlover24]

cindy Please don't tell me this is what I think it is... I was holding her and she pooped on me... no poop, just urates and yellow urine.. i mean completely yellow... Her liver is having problems isn't it...


***UPDATE*** She is eating right now. I put some seeds next to her and I moved the water bowl closer. She loves the heat lamp right now so I moved it all closer (it was close already but she doesnt want to move). I'm keeping a very close eye on her. I hope the yellow poop doesnt mean liver problems. She fluffs and tail bobs, then stops for a little to eat, then does it again. At least she is eating a seed or two. Better than nothing. I really hope she can pull thru this.

[finchlover24]

cindy lovezebs This is her right now:


https://goo.gl/photos/vJLbLuNY6mwnekmW8

NEW SYMPTOM: she is jiggling her head back and forth.. like a wiggling of the neck more than the head.. like something is stuck??

New video (you have to put the volume all the way up.. taken from far away since whenever i put my phone near her she stops. (you can hear meepin in the background lol)

https://goo.gl/photos/H1h4HMAFGvJavTvr8

https://goo.gl/photos/qmTKjt2svuWQ7uis8 (head movement is toward the end)

cindy lovezebs

[Babs _Owner]

finchlover24

Oh honey. I hope Cooper recovers

[lovezebs]

finchlover24

Can't get into any of your videos
All I'm getting is a little picture of Vanessa (is that you?)

I really hope things take a turn for the better.