Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Lisa » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:23 am

Ginene needs support not criticism.
Not meant whatsoever as criticism. As I said in my post above, I totally respect her standpoint and think she is doing all the right things. I just think there are gray areas to this and this too breaks my heart to see Ginene go through this. I consider Ginene my friend and as a friend in ANY situation bird-related or not, I would give my honest opinion. She's under no obligation to listen to me or not. I adore her but she is an adult and can make her own decisions.

I'm sure Ginene doesn't need to hear this over and over when she's trying to keep it together and get through this.
I'm not sure where the hearing this over and over part is coming into play. I think as a group everyone is being supportive of her actions (including me) ... I brought up an alternate viewpoint, I'm not going to harp on it indefinitely; just stating what I think may be helpful in sorting this whole mess out. I'll keep out of it from here on out.
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No offense taken. We're all friends here... I would hope we could talk openly together.

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by debbie276 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:13 am

:wink: agreed
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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Ginene » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:46 pm

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Thanks for worrying about me girls!!! I totally feel loved and supported by this forum. I was praying that Bella was just dealing with egg binding, but her body showed no signs (I inspected her closely after she passed, looking for signs of egg binding and lesions.) I called the vet today and gave them the ok to run the lesion at the lab. Big Joe is going to kick my but for spending $200 to test for something that has no treatment...but I am going to use my birthday money to pay for it, so he cant complain too much. I think it's important (not necessarily for me, because I truly believe this vet, as she has experience with this virus and many others) for everyone on the forum and those who visit ladygouldian.com (Troubleshooting Picture Illness Guide) to have a confirmed diagnosis to go with Juliette's picture. Unfortunately, this virus isn't as rare as people think. There are cases in wild birds all over the east coast. And the mosquitoes, mites, lice, fleas and tics are spreading it...crazy. I will let you know when the lab report comes in asap. Thanks again for the suggestions, support and love :wink: ...

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Ginene » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:14 pm

Just checked in @ the Vet's office and the biopsy on Juliet's lesion isn't back yet. She said it should be back in a few days...

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Post by Nerien » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:37 pm

Isn't waiting for results just the worst?

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by FinchLady » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:11 pm

I would get the same initial reaction from my husband (I too 'get' the financial burden). But if it was his sportscar....well, you just have to spend the money, right? Maintenance involves 'cost' of one sort or another- it's part of responsible ownership. In that light, he 'gets' it.
Hope your Juliett recovers soon....let us know what the vet says.

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by FinchLady » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:31 pm

Ginene: Oh, my gosh! I didn't read through the rest of the post string- didn't notice there were more pages...
Please forgive my prattle about 'vet bills'....inappropriate at best.
I am so sorry about your situation- it is heartbreaking. Will keep you in my prayers. And again, I sincerely apologize for the unhelpful comments.

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Post by Perfex » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:40 pm

Very sad to hear of your situation. It's one of those things that can happen to any of us and makes us all very nervous. I didn't realise the severity of pox until I read your posts.
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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Sally » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:04 pm

Ginene is going through one of the worst experiences any of us can have with our birds. An illness that can affect the entire flock is devasting, and you feel so completely helpless. And it could happen to any one of us. I think Ginene knows that we all are just concerned about her and wish we could do something to help.
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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by finchmix22 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:07 pm

Ginene wrote: Just checked in @ the Vet's office and the biopsy on Juliet's lesion isn't back yet. She said it should be back in a few days...
I am waiting with anticipation! We all want to learn from this experience and appreciate your willingness to go the extra mile to find out what's really going on with your flock. I"m praying for results soon. Waiting is so hard... :-SS :-W :-?
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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Ginene » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:15 pm

Thanks again for the support guys. Its been 2 weeks that we are dealing with the Pox and I am coping much better. I have the 4 quarantined birds in the office. My zebra hen did have a small growth on her face between her eye and beak for a few days, but she is already healing. I have NO CLUE if it was a Pox lesion or something else, as I was waiting for it to become larger to inspect it. Her mate and Cut Throat pair seem to be doing well. The only other scare I had was my RCCB Hen. She was showing signs of being sick last week, so I put her in the hospital cage with all of the usual supports. She has improved (singing, flying, perching with no problem) although she still spends a lot of time under the heat lamp. I will keep her separate from her mate for a while longer so she can rest and be strong. As for everyone else...thankfully none of my male Goulds have shown any sign of illness (even with Bella's sickness/passing), my babies are healthy/growing and the other finches & canaries are all doing well. Thanks for all the prayers, good vibes, and hugs. I will let you know what the result of the biopsy is when it comes in.

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Ginene » Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:53 pm

So the Avian Vet called me today with the results of the lab work...Juliette's lesion tested positive for TB. She said Avian Pox would have been better because Myco-Bacterium Tuberculosis is possibly contagious to humans (compromised immune systems, pulmonary issues, the very young & the very old). Like Avian Pox, TB presents with lesions on the eyes, head, neck, etc. and is misdiagnosed unless labs are done on the lesions. The only way to confirm the diagnosis is through a biopsy. So what happens now??? On Tuesday, I am picking up collection tubes from the vet and will collect and deliver fresh bird droppings to her on Wednesday. The lab will test the droppings for the next 8 weeks, as this is how long it takes to grow M-TB. Big Joe, Lil Joe and myself are all going to be blood tested for TB. If the blood tests come back negative, we wait the 8 weeks for the bird droppings to be cultured. If the blood tests come back positive, the flock will be euthanized. Now, if the dropping test comes back negative we do nothing, but if it comes back positive the flock is to be euthanized. My neighbor, who is a pulmonary specialist sent me an article on this. It said that birds contract TB from a TB infected owner or from contaminated soil or water. It also said that the NYCDOH has seized infected birds that owners have refused to euthanize. I guess my vet will be (or may have already) reporting these findings to the NYC Department of Health. My neighbor is the one who said to get the Quantifuron (excuse the spelling)TB Gold Blood Test done, rather than the skin test. He said it is so sensitive that it will show not only TB infection, but also exposure to TB. So there it is...the next chapter in this horrific nightmare...I am at a complete loss for words...my brain is completely fried...and so all I can do is wait and pour myself another glass of wine...Btw, Lil Joe is freaking out and is afraid that he is going to die...Please pray for all of us, feathered and unfeathered.

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Musetta » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:04 pm

Ginene, I am so, SO sorry. I will keep all of you in my thoughts.
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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by Ginene » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:07 pm

Musetta
Thank you, Rachel. This is a living nightmare...

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Re: Strange Growth on Shaft Tail's Beak

Post by debbie276 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:10 pm

oh my goodness!!! I'm so glad you had the testing done!
all my best, sending prayers for all this to come to a happy ending [-o<
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http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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