Air Sac Mites or Respiratory Infection?

wildbird · Post by **wildbird** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:01 pm

If the liver is affected, it's probably from all the drugs. If it were me, all drugs would be stopped.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:16 am

Everyone is very quick to say that the meds given for 7 days did this but consider this as well parasites, illness can rob a bird of nutrition, which creates malnutrition. Parasites attack and embed themselves in organs.... "Malnutrition may cause specific illnesses. Sometimes an ailment, such as gastrointestinal (GI), kidney, or liver disease, can be directly traced to a nutritional imbalance. An illness can increase nutritional requirements, making a normally good diet inadequate for the unhealthy bird. The energy content of the food is insufficient to meet the demands of ongoing metabolic processes."...... "Sometimes the causes of nutritional deficiencies are other pathogens, such as parasites, bacterial infections, mycotoxins (fungal diseases) and pancreatic disease. These may interfere with the absorption of nutrients from the digestive tract."... "Medical issues resulting in loss of appetite, maldigestion, or poor assimilation of food"

Parasites are in the body for a while before you even start to see symptoms, most do not see the symptoms until the bird is down or fluffed by then the parasites have a good foot hold. Often you see the bird consuming more food to keep up with it's nutritional needs since the parasites are taking nutrients from the bird. Parasites like coccidian can cause anorexia in a bird, it stops eating and drinking...that causes malnutrition which can effect vital organs. Sometimes illness/parasites have a strong foot hold where addition treatments are needed or even with treatments the organs suffered damage due to the parasites it is hard for the bird to make a full recovery even when the meds were effective in ridding the bird of the parasite/illness. Often either fungal or yeast start to develop as a secondary illness to the parasites. These are all tough on a little bird.

Terri has suggested a very mild approach of ACV and probiotics for a week hopefully that will help knock all this back and the bird gets better. Keep that nourishing food coming.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:24 am

wildbird Terri looked at the pics, there's nothing wrong with her liver as far as medication goes. If her liver is having problems, she said its whatever that is making her sick thats affecting the liver. She's on probiotic right now. After the first dose of probiotic she improved drastically, which led Terri to believe that it's either MegaBac or a yeast. I'm going to put some ACV in her water when I get home. She has a heat lamp, food, and water with probiotic in it. Drugs were stopped on Monday night since she needed probiotic more. Thank you so much

@cindy I know, Terri said that the Tri Sulfa is a lot lighter on a bird than Ronex. If it were the antibiotics, I think Meepin would be fluffed too (which he isnt, he's been off the walls

). Cooper must've had something that was lying dormant prior to the antibiotics that she was hiding and once she went on the antibiotics, it was able to get a good footing on her since she had a compromised immune system.

I don't know where she would've gotten parasites from, but who knows. Could be yeast, fungal, we were thinking Trichomonas at one point. She still has the lung noises, still fluffed up here and there with tail bobbing, but she is eating and drinking.

Now one quick question, with the ACV and probiotics, I know she said to keep them in separate bins but how will I get her to drink one or the other? I wanted to mix them into one water source but I'm not sure if the ACV will have a reaction with the probiotics.

Post by **Babs _Owner** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:00 am

finchlover24

It is amazing that she is pullling through. Shes a tough little gal! She looked aweful in video

Im so happy the probiotics are working!

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:23 am

[Now one quick question, with the ACV and probiotics, I know she said to keep them in separate bins but how will I get her to drink one or the other? I wanted to mix them into one water source but I'm not sure if the ACV will have a reaction with the probiotics.[/quote]

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I would drop Terri a quick email and ask her... I think you can't mix them since ACV is acidic and it may make the probiotic ineffective.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:55 am

look at this site..second picture and the description on candidiasis

"Typical symptoms are exhaustion, fatigue, loss of appetite, wet droppings (diarrhoea), vomiting, and loss of weight. If a bird throws up its food, in many cases the mucus smells sourly. And in some cases one can see that a birds' crop is swollen. This happens because Candida spp. are gas-forming. The photo on the right shows this phenomenon. As you can see, the crop looks like a "balloon"." To read more and to view the picture see the link below.

She may have had this for a while and was able to keep it at bay for a bit... we will not know since you just recently discovered it. With what you are using now hopefully this will resolve soon.

http://www.birds-online.de/gesundheit/g ... sis_en.htm

By the way I did check with a lady that has a clinical background in meds and treatment and she said none of the meds you gave both birds will effect the liver.

Spreckles · Post by **Spreckles** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:16 pm

You are doing something right!!! Mr. Meepin has recovered and cooper is still alive!!!! That in itself is really great.

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:12 pm

Spreckles Thank you so much! Cooper is doing a TON better. I'm sure she didn't just magically get better, but she's not all fluffed and panting anymore! She's beaking at Mr. Meepin, pulling at paper towel, and stuffing her face with seeds

She's been on the ACV and probiotic (separate water bins). Both Mr. Meepin and Ms. Coopin have good poops now!

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:17 pm

Excellent news!!! So glad they are doing so much better!!!!!!

Post by **Babs _Owner** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:22 pm

finchlover24

Yay!! So happy for you and your birdie friend!!

Spreckles · Post by **Spreckles** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:13 pm

Jen · Post by **Jen** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:58 pm

WoW....great story with a happy ending...so happy everyone is doing so much better. Keep up the good work and keep us posted!!!

debbie276 · Post by **debbie276** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:32 am

Glad things have turned around for you!

finchlover24 · Post by **finchlover24** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:55 pm

debbie276 Sally cindy lovezebs

Here's a video of Cooper

She's doing a ton better!

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO ... lYRFMtcm5B

Let me know if you can't see it and I'll try reposting

debbie276 · Post by **debbie276** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:57 pm

She looks great!!
So happy for you

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