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Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by DCbeachboy » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:35 pm

Just as I had thought I'd experienced the last possible complication as my birds prepare to raise a new -- and hopefully successful -- second clutch, I'm now faced with the very real possibility of parasites on my birds, and more disturbingly, in my home.

I'm not seeing either of the usual signs of mites/lice on my birds, meaning I've never seen any visible black or red specks crawling on them or in their cage, and neither bird has missing feathers from excessive scratching. I don't believe either bird is scratching, preening or ruffling its feathers excessively, although I'm not sure I would know what excessive really is. How often is TOO often? They also do not seem to be any more restless than usual. However, they've always scratched, preened and ruffled their feathers now and then throughout the day, and I've always considered this normal.

Suddenly a week or so ago, I happened to notice a tiny little almost-microscopic light-gray speck crawling around on a white paper on my desk, which is located just 3 feet from the birds' cage. I wondered then if it could be a bird mite and almost treated the birds with a mite spray, but after I looked carefully around my desk, and around the cage vicinity, and couldn't find any more, I decided it must have been a false alarm.

I had almost forgotten about it, until several days later when I noticed that I was suddenly feeling odd crawling sensations on my skin -- particularly my ankles, face and scalp. I could never find anything on my skin after looking, yet I knew there had to be something there. Occasionally there also would be a feeling of something biting, though this was less often. Yesterday I used a pet shampoo designed to kill mites on cats and dogs, and that seemed to instantly stop the crawling and biting sensations...I've had no more at all, so far. I also carefully cleaned around my desk and the cage area, just in case...though I was afraid to use anything stronger than household soap and water to avoid harming the birds' respiratory systems.

So today I looked carefully around my desk again, and found 2 more of the exact same little gray specks crawling on a paper on my desk. My desk area has much better lighting than the floor near the cage, and the white paper provided an ideal background for me to easily see them, whereas they tend to blend in much more easily with my brown flooring. So these little specks -- whatever they are -- would show up much better on my desk than anywhere else near the cage.

Now I'm facing the very real possibility that my entire home may need to be fumigated against these things, depending on how far from the cage they have managed to migrate. 8-[ I've scheduled a pest exterminator to take a look later this week. He's asked me by phone to "catch" one of these things for them to examine, but they are so very tiny I'm not sure how I would manage to do that without smashing them.

I'm absolutely convinced that whatever these specks are, they have to have originated from the birds, as anyone who knows me would consider my own personal cleanliness and hygiene to be quite obsessive. :? I've never had any issues at all with that, nor had I ever found any such little specks in my home until now. I'm suspecting my hen may have become infested during a visit to the vet 2 months ago -- the only time either bird has been out of my home while I've had them.

My questions:
1) How often is considered "excessive" when it comes to birds scratching or preening?
2) Is it possible for birds to have mites/lice without showing any visible plumage problems?
3) How easy is it to rid birds, along with their cage (and apparently my home) if infested with bird mites/lice?
4) Would spraying their nest (including nesting material) pose any harm to the birds or to any hatchlings that appear in the coming weeks?

My birds currently are building a new nest in a larger nestbox I recently installed. When I installed the nest, I already had decided the mite scare was a false alarm, but for preventive purposes -- just in case -- I did treat the bottom of the wooden box with a mite spray before adding a paper towel and nesting material. I'm now realizing I probably need to spray the entire nest they're building before my hen begins laying eggs again in the coming days.

Has anyone else ever had issues with bird mites/lice migrating into their homes, and how have you dealt with this problem to safely eliminate it without harming the birds?
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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by annague » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:10 pm

Dave, bird mites are common and hard to eradicate (read: most likely impossible to eradicate) from an environment that contains birds.

What most of us do is control infestation through regular Scatt or S76 treatments -- most treat from once to twice a year to up to four times a year.

However, I want to share that the office I used to work in had a big problem with paper mites. Paper mites will cause itchy bites and can crawl up peoples ankles and legs once there gets to be a significant population. We had to have the pest people come and spray several times to get rid of them.

So, you probably need to treat your finches (that should kill any bird mites quickly) but be sure to consider paper mites since you found the critters on paper which is where we always saw them at the office...
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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by Sally » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:07 pm

Just make sure that the exterminator is aware that your finches are much more susceptible to pesticides than a cat or dog. There are two sprays that are perfectly safe to use around your birds. Avian Insect Liquidator is so safe you can even spray it right on the birds. Camicide is one I have not yet used, but it is supposed to be safe as well. This time of year, as it cools off, I get the large waterbugs or cockroaches coming into the house, and AIL will knock them down without bothering my birds at all.
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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by poohbear » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:05 pm

Re your scratching...Bird mites don't feed on humans.
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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by CandoAviary » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:53 pm

poohbear wrote:Re your scratching...Bird mites don't feed on humans.
I was going to say the same thing! They would not bite humans. If your birds had mites...they would look rough and scratch without stopping...they would also have feather loss by now. They definately would be interested in setting up house. So I would doubt these crawly things came from the birds.
Now my ankles are itching... and my head tingling as I sit at my office covered with papers :shock: Never heard of paper mites :shock:

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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by Meep » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:21 pm

To catch a sample of a tiny bug, try using a piece of clear tape.

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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by DCbeachboy » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:28 pm

Anna -- thanks for the tip on paper mites! I'd never even considered that. And now that you mention them, what I saw DOES look a bit like the tiny mites I vaguely remember seeing many years ago crawling inside an old book I'd opened somewhere. So you may very well have solved the mystery, Ms. Sherlock! :wink: And if so, I'll be greatly relieved. I'll definitely ask the exterminator about it when he comes, and try Meep's excellent tape idea.

Back in the spring I temporarily had stored near my desk several boxes of old newspaper clippings and various other very old family papers, after my mother-in-law passed away and we absorbed some of her household contents. I'm wondering now if that could have been the source of this...and the birdcage's close proximity to my desk may be a mere coincidence rather than the origin. I'll be taking a much closer look at those boxes now. :shock:

I may need to consider twice-yearly preventive mite treatments for the birds, anyway, if it helps to keep them under control. And I'm also realizing that the trip to the vet 2 months ago couldn't have resulted in mites. Because the vet injected the hen with Ivomec during the visit, and at his instruction, I also treated both my birds with Ivomec by adding it to their drinking water for 14 days beginning a week after the visit. (He didn't believe she had air-sac mites -- instead only a non-mite minor respiratory infection -- but he thought it still wise to treat both birds for ASMs just in case.) As I understand it, the Ivomec would have killed ANY type of mite on the bird -- inside or outside.

Sally -- good to know about the AIL, thanks! I'm hoping it also helps control these paper mites, if that's what this ends up being. Regardless, I think the AIL is probably a good item to add to my stocked avian medicine cabinet. I already have UltraCare's Mite & Lice bird spray...is that comparable, or is the AIL more effective?

Yes, I'm aware that bird mites typically don't feed on humans. But I've also read that some types will do so, on occasion, when they find themselves without a bird host nearby. I'm not sure how far away the birds would need to be for this to happen, but this is a moot point anyway if it ends up being just paper mites. Yet for the record -- the crawling sensation is the main thing I noticed....there were few actual bites felt. And I could never actually see anything moving -- only on the paper.
CandoAviary wrote:Now my ankles are itching... and my head tingling as I sit at my office covered with papers :shock: Never heard of paper mites :shock:
:D Well, this is one perpetually annoying sensation I would never wish upon my worst enemy -- let alone someone I respect as much as you, Candace! And while the idea of paper mites is infinitely less bothersome than that of a bird-mite infestation, for a self-confessed OCD sufferer such as myself, it can still prompt one to feel the need to fumigate. 8-[
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Re: Diagnosing Bird Mites or Lice

Post by annague » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:35 am

:lol: I hear you... sorry for the itchy imagery, Candace -- I remember watching 'Arachnaphobia' and feeling for a long time afterward that a spider might be crawling on me somewhere. 8-[

Dave, hope you can get rid of them easily without disturbing your gouldy's.

Let us know what happens... :)
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