IS THIS NORMAL FOR A BABY GOULDIAN???

[debbie276]

That is not normal and first thing I would do is clean it up so your sure they can poop.
If it smells sweet or has a chicken like smell it could be e-coli, streptoccus or thrush. The color in the picture isn't the best, is it green or yellow in color at all?

[G8love4finches]

What do you keep them in to handfeed?.....Do they have room to back up and out of their space to poop, or are they sitting in it?...The color can be from the handfeeding formula?.....They look to me like they are sitting in their poop, and not having any room to move away...Could that be?

[dfcauley]

Are you treating them at all for yeast? I would suspect that first of all.

[ac12]

It isn't ideal, but I have seen that several times.

And in watching the chicks, as you indicate, they back up to poop, but the poop does not always squirt out and away. Sometimes they back up against the side of the nest and when they poop against the side of the nest it is like pooping against a wall, it just "mushes" back on them....yuk
Also when they are sitting in the nest and poop, the poop sticks to their butt. Especially if the nest does not have air circulation and the poop does not dry out and stays moist.
I had an adult bird with bad legs, and her butt would be covered in poop. Because of her bad legs, she could not get her butt clear, so when she pooped, she essentially sat in her poop. I had to clean her butt every few days.

[debbie276]

Birds poop should not be wet enough to stick to their butts. I use Kaytee formula and their poop is never yellow so it's not the formula making the poop yellow if it is.
Here's a link discussing yeast infection that may help you:
http://www.avianweb.com/candida.html
I've heard people recommend applesauce added to the formula but the article talks about apple vinegar. Maybe someone will jump in and explain how they add applesauce to fight yeast.
good luck

[G8love4finches]

When I hand feed, I add apple cider vinegar to the formula before I feed.....If I am mixing a tsp or two of formula I add a drop or two.....With say a couple of tbsp of formula I would add 4 drops of ACV....The measurements are the dry mix.....I usually mix a little more than 2/1 ratio of water to dry formula....Hope this helps

[dfcauley]

I think adding applesauce is more of a prevative thing than anything. I know that yeast is common in handfeds. I usually put the applesauce in their food. IF they develop yeast then I treat with Nystatin. But obtaining that is a buggar bear! You can't buy it and it has to come from a vet. Fortunately I have a friend that is a vet and gets it for me.

If you need me to send you some.... let me know and I will .

[nixity]

I hand fed quite a few babies and the color of their poop always closely resembled the color of the hand feeding formula they were on. If I was using Lafeber's it was a creamy yellow color, harrisons - a darker brown color.

It shouldn't be pasty and sticking to the vent, though. This is around the age where you'd expect to start seeing symptoms of a yeast infection which is nearly impossible to avoid when hand feeding these finches or so it seems.

I always used medistatin in a mild dose throughout handfeeding as a preventive otherwise my babies would always eventually develop some kind of yeast problem because the food simply doesn't digest fast enough and it can begin to ferment in their crop - read: yeast (thrush, candida, etc).

Once there is an existing problem ACV and applesauce will not help. These are meant to balance the acidity of the crop to help prevent an infection from happening (which isn't always fool proof, either). They will not treat an infection that is existing. You simply can't give the ACV in a concentration high enough that will kill the yeast without irritating the tissue of the crop.

In the first photo of the birds the baby has sleepy looking eyes which isn't really a good sign but could just be that photo.

Otherwise, congrats on the two yellows In case you didn't know, those are both SF Yellow boys! (White or lilac breast)

[nixity]

It can be, yes, if it goes untreated.

Keep in mind this might not be the issue - this is just a hypothesis from seeing a photo.
It may or may not be anything and the meds may or may not help.

[debbie276]

If you give probotics they have to be avian specific, not human, dog or cat.

[CandoAviary]

Just catching this thread. Yucky butts for sure. Usually, if this were yeast and has gone this far to make this much mess I would suspect your finches would be acting very sick if not already dead. If they are eating and acting healthy then I am sure it is just lack of hygeine.
Or possibly...popcorn poop. In adult birds when they drop the poop from the perch it appears like popcorn. This is usually caused from a protozoan infection. But then again, they will act sickly and usually not be gaining weight.

[CandoAviary]

The hygiene was meant for the birds, not you ... baby birds are somwhat clumsy and often make a mess on themselves. The white is the urates. 3 parts of poop...urine , usually clear, urates, white, and feces, green,grey or brown depending on what they are eating.
Sometimes the urine will mix with the urates and make a milky liquid.
So the white could simply be normal white urates.
The fact you say they are acting normal makes me think it is just poop stuck. Both protozoan and Yeast will create a very sick acting bird...they usually won't want to eat well either.

[dfcauley]

I have it ready to send so I will go ahead and send it. You can decide between now and then if you want to use it.
Personally I would go ahead and treat them just in case. I use it in small amount when I hand feed now just to be safe so I don't think it would hurt. If they have yeast it has a sweet smell (in my opinion)
Good luck! Meds are on the way just in case.

[CandoAviary]

Prayers sent for a very healthy outcome
As far as medicating........ please read this info:

This was taken from ladygouldian.com and I would trust Lorraine's experience and knowledge.

"Nystatin or Medistatin (a powdered form of Nystatin) would be the drug of choice if your bird has a fungal infection at any point along
it’s digestive tract (ingested form), but Nystatin does not cross into the blood stream from the digestive tract, so because it cannot come into direct contact with the fungal organisms in a bird’s respiratory tract, it will not cure a fungal respiratory infection.

Medistatin is used as the treatment of choice for fungal infections where direct contact with the infection is possible in the digestive tract. Medistatin is a powdered Nystatin and it does not cross into the bloodstream. Medistatin is ideal for crop dosing while hand-feeding baby birds to prevent or cure yeast infections."

I do the same thing as nixity, usually add medistatin to the handfeeding forumula from the onset. Medistatin is easily obtainable and you can order it here

http://ladygouldian.com/content/non-wat ... aged-birds

[dfcauley]

Are you confused now Rancel???
The meds are on the way. It sure can't hurt the babies to try....