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Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:23 pm

I have a zebra hen that was not looking too well.
Her left wing was drooping, and I was able to grab her right off the food tray in her cage (not something that I can normally do), so she was definitely not well.

I was cleaning her beak of "something" then was cleaning her butt of poop. That was when I noticed a liquid coming out of her mouth, she was vomitting :( That "something" on her beak was probably dried vomit.

I searched the forum but could not find anything helpful on what might be possible problems.

I have her in a small cage w a heat lamp on her.
Other than heat, I don't know what else to do for her.
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by finchmix22 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:43 pm

I skimmed the avian medical reference that Cindy has posted previously and all I could find was a paragraph on the following:
Trichomonas
Trichomonas spp. infections are occasionally seen in finches, particularly those housed near infected budgerigars. Clinical symptoms include gagging, neck stretching, regurgitation, respiratory distress, nasal discharge, green diarrhea and emaciation. Di- agnosis is made by identifying the flagellate on a wet smear prepared from a crop wash. At necropsy, caseous material may be seen lining the crop and esophagus, and flagellates may be identified from this material provided that it is fresh.

Iron Storage Disease and Related Entities
Various Passeriformes species including Indian Hill Mynahs, Rothschild’s Mynahs, quetzals, Birds of Paradise, Green Cat Birds and tanagers have been reported to be susceptible to excessive accumulation of iron in the liver.28,30,59 In a group of 11 mynah birds that varied from five to ten years in age, clinical signs associated with hepatomegaly and ascites included a three-day to three-month history of listlessness, re- gurgitation, dyspnea, weight loss, diarrhea, cough- ing, wheezing and syncope. Most of the birds died within several days of presentation.59

Vomiting and Regurgitation

Bird Health Care ... Regurgitating - as Mating Behavior


It is very difficult at times to differentiate regurgitation and vomiting. Both involve bringing up food and expelling it from the beak.

Regurgitation to a mate, person or toy is a normal part of breeding behavior. A bird that is regurgitating or vomiting will make a head-bobbing and neck-stretching type of movement. Food will be brought up and deposited on the bird's toys or mate. Such controlled regurgitation usually does not result in staining of the feathers or the beak.

Bacterial, viral and fungal gastrointestinal causes, obstructions, toxins and liver or kidney problems may also cause regurgitation or vomiting.

Vomiting, on the other hand, is usually a rapid flick of the head, which is often not noticed by pet bird owners. Tell-tale signs of vomiting in birds is the flicking of small pieces of ingesta around the cage and on top of the birds head. Food may become caked on the bird's head giving it a spiky, matted appearance. Vomiting often occurs along with regurgitation and is a serious clinical sign.

If you suspect that this behavior is the result of illness, a veterinarian should examine your bird.


Possible Underlying Causes:

Heavy metal poisoning, as well as proventricular, ventricular or lower alimentary tract diseases are possible causes. However, anything that disrupts the normal gastric secreting or grinding functions of the proventriculus and ventriculus may lead to a secondary overgrowth of bacteria or fungi in the small and large intestines. Foreign bodies obstructions (usually seen in nestlings and fledgling birds kept on inappropriate substrates, such as wood chips or saw dust.

Parasitic, fungal, viral and bacterial infections can all cause inflammation of the oral cavity, oesophagus and crop. Avian pox is probably the most common viral cause of pharyngitis and oesophagitis, but lesions in other organs including the skin and respiratory tract are also usually present and are of more importance.

Primary bacterial and fungal infections are relatively rare and are usually secondary to vitamin A deficiency or other organisms or agents that disrupt the normal mucosal defense mechanisms.

There may be other diseases that fit the symptoms, but that reference has so much, I would have to look some more. Maybe Cindy or someone else will know where to find any other information. I hope your finch gets well soon.
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:36 pm

Glad you found that Deborah, I think it sounds more like vomiting and is either bacterial or parasites or both since parasites can cause a secondary bacterial infection

Gary, do you have Ronex and amoxitex, what I would do is mix double the ronex 12% powder and 1 times the amoxitex to 1 part water and dose her for 7 days or follow the directions below. One of the indications for using Ronex is dried salivia on and around the beak. Keep her very warm and get the meds into her even if you have to beak dose her at first.

http://www.morningbirdproducts.com/prod ... ex_es.html

"RONEX Extra Strength is a treatment for cankers, giardia and other protozoal infections.

SYMPTOMS OF PROTOZOAL DISEASES:

canker or large yellowish masses in the throat or crop
weight loss
regurgitation
dried saliva around beak

DIRECTIONS FOR USE:
Ronex Extra Strength successfully treats motile protozoa such as Trichomonas, Giardia, Hexamita, and Cochlosoma. Add ½ teaspoon (2.5ml) of RONEX Extra Strength to 2 quarts of clean drinking water and administer for 7 days. Use as bird’s only source of drinking water. For particularly difficult infections, increase dose to 5 times normal for 3 days then continue with normal dose for 4 days. Preventative treatments are recommended to control further protozoal infections. If bird does not improve or condition worsens, consult a veterinarian. Keep container closed before and after use. Store in a cool, dry place. One level teaspoon equals 5 ml."

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:30 pm

Thanks Cindy
I happen to have both Ronix (6%) and Amoxitex.
Now to go mix up a solution.
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:11 pm

Ronex 6% is not strong, Finches need the 12%....you an double it for normal use but for her right now mix it at 4x's the powder od ronex 6% (this equals 2 times the amount of 12%) and 1 time the amoxitex.

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by finchmix22 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 pm

I was thinking the same thing Cindy. Glad you added your input.
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:39 pm

Even if he did the double of the ronex 6 % the one time he can 4 times it the rest of the treatment

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:57 pm

I normally use the mix Tiffany recommended for the 6%.
4x for 3 days (equal to 2x of 12%)
2x for 4 days
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:41 pm

add the amoxitex to it...when done give her probitics for about 4 days. If it does not clear dose her again, sometimes it takes a second dose to better them. hopefully she will only need this one treatment. Please let us know how she does.

Gary is she in with a mate or other birds? If it is protozoa then her cage mates should be treated with a round of Ronex also.

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:42 pm

Just to be safe, I'm going to treat all the zebras that she was with, as I don't know when it started. I have another one looking a little bit under the weather, 2 look OK.

BUT, this also bothers me because I don't know if this might have been spread by way of the brush that I use to clean the water tube to the other cages :(

Geez I hate when a bug gets into the flock.
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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:45 pm

Gary, when you cleaned the water tube did you use bleach, a disinfectant? Usually is you use a mild solution of bleach and water, soak the tubes and brush it should be alright.

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:42 pm

I never used bleach to disinfect food/water dishes.
What ratio of bleach to water?
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Post by cindy » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:05 pm

Gary, I pour about a shot glass (estimate) into a big rubbermade container, fill it with hot water, soak all the cups and tubes, scrub them out and rinse well. You can set those to dry over night and use clean cups and tubes so you rotate you dishes, cups, tubes.

I have been using white vinegar to clean cages but am going to switch to a hydrogen peroxide bleach substitute to clean grates with. I'll dilute that as well and use a clean paper towel/brush for each cage.I know your hands are sensitive this might be a gentler form of disinfecting for you. I imagine it will work as well as bleach does.

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by cindy » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:57 pm

How are they doing today Gary? How's the hen?

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Re: Ill zebra hen threw up

Post by ac12 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:41 pm

They seem to be OK.
I don't see any dried vomit on her beak.
But boy is she drinking water. Probably because of the extra heat from the lamp. But that gets her to drink more medication that if she didn't drink as much water.

By they, I also pulled a penguin hen that was acting poorly. She looked like she was having trouble balancing on the perch. She is in a hospital cage w a lamp on her, and the same meds. Although she may need something else after the Ronivet treatment is done.
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