HELP zebras all hating on each other.

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:39 pm

So I had four babies in a nest with the parents. One of the babies fledged today and when I found him he had no tail at all. I had a problem with the dad plucking his other baby Sparrow. Originally I had to take sparrow and the dad shadow out of the cage and put them in a separate cage. If Shadow was around the mom kuri he was constantly attacking, but the mom wouldn't feed the baby. Now I have one baby with no tailfeathers and backs that is missing, so I took the baby the nest and the mom and put them in with sparrow and left the dad by himself. Of course sparrow and his mom started attacking each other and the baby was getting caught in the middle and knocked over. I then took sparrow and put him in with the shadow and they began fighting until I yelled at them and then they both stopped and I covered them so right now they are next to me and I am monitoring them. I am also afraid that the mom is not going to feed the other babies. At least once they fledge. Right now I am hoping that Shadow and sparrow will get used to each other and calm down and not fight. However if I need Shadell to feed the babies I can't put the mom with sparrow because they will fight. If Shadell in sparrow get along I might be able to move both of them back to the other cage but I hope that the babies aren't jeopardized. When I had moved Shadow the first time he seemed fine with out kuri there so maybe if I just separate her it will be okay but I am still concerned for the babies considering sparrow has now been on his own for over a month. I don't have any money to get a proper cage for just sparrow and I have a small really crappy and dark cage that I would don't want to have to put any of them in. I was considering cutting the top off of the nest and just taking the remaining babies out and trying to hand feed them and since the fledgling came to my hand he doesn't seem as afraid as sparrow was when he fledged so maybe they would all eat from me but I am on sure and don't know what to do. This is a huge disaster so any advice is appreciated and I have no idea what to do. I don't want to stress them out and I don't want them to fight or pluck feathers or kill each other.

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:41 pm

Sorry for terrible grammar and any misspellings I am on my phone

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:48 pm

OMG I feel so sorry for what you are going through. I'm of no help but I am thinking about you and the birds. You know how much I love sparrow... I just hope things calm down...

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:22 pm

I really don't know what to do sparrow and shadow are fighting again just spent a good five minutes trying to catch shadow to nice him and now they're having heart attacks. I can't keep stressing them. I'm gonna freaking cry!!!!!!# UGH. right now u freaking hate them. At least shadow. I am so mad.

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:59 pm

fhgwgads how does a bird fight, do they attack and the squabble on the floor

this makes me sad.. how are the babies.. are they being fed by either parent? Sparrow is too young to feed them right... or is it only societies that feed EVERYTHING in sight?
I am so sorry you are going through this..

I wonder why Shadow is attacking Sparrow when they were fine.. is it the chicks that triggered all this unneeded emotion! ... damn.. so sorry!!!!

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:54 pm

chirpy I dint know what his problem is. Apparently he thinks Kuri is just a baby machine. And he wants to kick the babies to the curb to fend for themselves. I feel so bad for the little babies.. and fir Kuri having her feathers plucked. I feel bad for what Sparrow had to go through. I feel bad that Shadow bullies him. I dint understand why Kuri won't feed the babies once they fledge. I even feel bad for getting mad at Sparrow for bullying everyone. My mom was able to give me a cage to separate Sparrow and Shadow. Hopefully this will stop the problem. I might have to swap Kuri and Shadow to have the other babies weaned. I don't know.. I just hope Shadow and Sparrow don't start fighting first thing in the morning. And as far as fighting.. they chase each other, peck each other, clearly Shadow plucks feathers, etc. I am mad, upset, worried, sick, and at a loss all at the same time.

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:04 pm

fhgwgads awww... this sounds horrible.. well that is good that your mom had a spare cage for when you do have to separate them.
so.. this is waht you are doing
Sparrow in his cage
Kuri in another cage as she won't feed the babies
Shadow with the babies, away from Kuri as he plucks Kuri and tries to breed all over again.

is this the sum up of your situation?
Do you think things will get better when you take the nest out, leave the parents be.. and the brothers and sisters together?

You have got a lot going on

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:40 pm

chirpy I hope they will be ok. I might try to feed the other babies if Kuri won't and then if they don't eat I will put Shadow back. I am just so mentally and emotionally drained over this. I just hope they will be ok. I am sad that Sparrow needs to be alone now too especially since him and Shadow were buddies before. Poor babies. I feel like I am such a terrible person. I feel like I should have anticipated this. I feel irresponsible. Maybe I should have taken it the babies and hand feed them right away. I was afraid to hurt then or lessen their chance of survival. And I feel bad that I left Sparrow alone. ARGHHH.

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:53 pm

don't feel that way,
I have read many people say to let the parents raise them before we do it.. unless they wont then its time for us humans to step in.
it must be so hard, I am sorry

i wish I lived near by so I can help you SOMEHOW!
how are the boys doing in their separate cages? well I would think that Sparrow is ok since he is used to being there... Shadow will get used to it too no? its just the babies that are more of a concern now..

when was the last time the parents fed them - do you know?

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:10 pm

So Sparrow and Shadow continued their fighting in the morning. Sparrow was thankfully holding his ground, but Shadow was still attacking him and wouldn't let him eat. They were both puffed up and bouncing back and forth. I am amazed at how well Sparrow held his turf on the top perch having one eye. I had to remove Sparrow and put him back in his flight cage and I took Kuri and the fledgling out and put them in the other cage. The little fledgling comes to me pretty easily. Kuri was plucking the baby for a bit and the whole time Sparrow was singing and dancing for Kuri's attention. Silly boy wants a girl. He is so beautiful though when he is all fluffed up hopping around and singing. Moved Kuri and the baby out if his view and it seems she has stopped plucking and had been feeding. The nest went back in with Shadow as I am more confident that he can keep up with feeding the three babies alone. I am hoping another will fledge.. I might try swapping the two fledglings with the nest so Shadow can feed the fledglings. I just hope he doesn't pluck them. Everyone seems calmed down now and hopefully it stays that way. Eventually Kuri will go back in with Shadow with NO NEST. I would hate to take Sparrow out of his flight cage, but I can't keep the four babies in the one smaller cage. I hope I can eventually put them in with Sparrow but I dint know if he will get defensive and territorial of his cage and attack them. He kind of pecked at the fledgling yesterday but I don't know if it was out of curiosity, stress, picking order, or aggression. He is a sweet boy! I am also not sure if Kuri and him were fighting because the fledgling was there. Sigh...

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:50 pm

fhgwgads the living situation seems a little better today.. PHEW. I am so glad to hear that

I hope that the brothers and sisters (incl Sparrow) can all be in one cage and be merry!
let me know how the babies are with dad feeding and the fldgeling is with momma.
Didn't think things would be so disastrous with the same breed adn family.. though family part probably doesn't play a big role.

Ginene · Post by **Ginene** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:26 pm

fhgwgads
Hey Ashley
Housing zebras is tuff. They are set on establishing a pecking order, whether they're related or not. You will need to separate the babies by sex once they are weaned. Otherwise they will inbreed. Also, remove the nest as soon as the last baby fledges. Otherwise the parents will start a new clutch. I actually had a pair bury 2 healthy hatchlings (4 & 6 days old) under nesting and try to start a new clutch right on top of them! Dads bright idea, of coarse...I wound up hand feeding the babies and had some help from my society males too. As for your other issue...1 parent can feed the babies with no problem. If dad is the primary feeder, remove mom...especially if shes a plucker. I would keep lil sparrow out of the mix...I am not too far from you. Would you consider coming out to Staten Island and taking a cage or 2 from me? They have been cleaned with 50% bleach and 50% water. You can scrub them again after you get them home too. I have breeding cages, flights and a 2 tiered cage too.

fhgwgads · Post by **fhgwgads** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:19 pm

Ginene awwww!!! Well part of the problem is dad is the main feeder AND plucker. Mom was only feeding nestlings and not fledglings. Now she IS feeding the first fledgling which I have a feeling is a female.. but she was plucking it. She hasn't been lately since I moved her out of Sparrows view. Another baby came it today but went back in. I had also tried to introduce the first baby back with dad with mom removed and it wouldn't leave my hand so I don't know if I should put it back in. As long as it's being fed by mom I think it's fine. If you really don't need the cage and I end up being them I would definitely love to take them. I feel so bad though! If you would like I would let you take one of my babies but only.. and I mean ONLY if you want. I know you just went through a lot and totally understand if it's too much for you.I have no prob keeping them.

@chirpy Sparrow is such a cutie little boy singing all pretty to his mama.. except for when he screeches like a weirdo! But so far everything is ok now.. I am sure I'll have to figure more out once the babies fledge and are weaned!!!

chirpy · Post by **chirpy** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:55 pm

fhgwgads phew glad to know things are on the up! Been thinking of you guys! So happy to hear you guys are OK even if it for now must be a great sigh of relief

Meanwhile I think 3/4 are dead eggies. Makes me a little sad but that's ok. Try harder next time. I will get another finch ;) and breed that with another for new blood I think ;) my husband will KILL me but hey, who careslol

Ginene · Post by **Ginene** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:34 pm

fhgwgads
Thanks for the offer for a baby...it is so tempting, but I think we are going to wait till the Fall before getting any birds again. I am going to talk with that vet tomorrow and ask when it is safe again. You can let me know about the cage/s anytime. They will be here...best of luck with your little family.

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