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PLEASE HELP! Standing on one foot + leg is red/swollen!

Post by jmollica » Tue May 27, 2014 10:49 am

I am a new finch owner. I have two young female zebra finches. Occasionally we let them out of the cage to exercise. For a few weeks now, one bird (Beemo) has been standing on one leg. We thought it might pass, so we waited to see if it passed. This morning I took a closer look at her leg, and not only are her nails very long (from not using that foot) but her leg (especially towards the foot) is very red and seems swollen compared to the other. She also "puffs up" a lot lately. Our cage is quite large, and we change their water/food daily with an added vitamin supplement. We have sandpaper covers on the perches, and the bottom of the cage tray is lined with Kaytee Kay-Kob. Above it is a grate where the poo falls through. The cage is kept very clean, including the perches. We have a natural tree branch perch with varying widths, a small perch on the bottom, and two wider perches on top. I have noticed that some of the poop from one bird is a bit watery, but I can't tell who it is from. We also make sure they get some natural sunlight every day with a lot of shade.

I got a quick picture of her bad foot. She is sitting on one of the bigger perches. It is hard to see the redness because it was a bit dark, but if you look closely you can see that the nails on this foot are MUCH longer than the other.
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I would greatly appreciate any help with this! :(

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Post by finchmix22 » Tue May 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Jess,
The foot looks irritated. The sand paper perches may be too rough. I use some regular style branches and some pedi perches, so the finches have a chance to rest their skin from the roughness. I put paper towels over the grate to help them when on the bottom eating etc. It also makes clean up much easier.

If you have some neosporin, I'd put a little on the whole leg. It looks deydrated and sore. You can use small toe nail clippers to trim the tips of the nails, but watch out for the quick, the pink portion, as it will bleed and not stop unless you have cornstarch or Quick Stop from the pet store.

I hope it improves. BTW, welcome to the forum. There is a lot of information in the Finch Information Center at the top left of your screen. There, you can find many answers to common questions and problems. Also, members are happy to answer questions and help out if we can.
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Post by Angela&Shalamar » Tue May 27, 2014 2:25 pm

Hmmm, I'd take a close look and make sure there's nothing caught around the leg, although that's not what it looks like. Also is she using the leg at all? I'd feel the leg gently and see if I can feel anything out of alignment or broken. Check the bottom of the food where the pads are and see if you see any type of injury or would that's not visible from the top. If she's puffing up I"d offer supplemental heat.
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Post by jmollica » Tue May 27, 2014 2:42 pm

finchmix22 wrote: Jess,
The foot looks irritated. The sand paper perches may be too rough. I use some regular style branches and some pedi perches, so the finches have a chance to rest their skin from the roughness. I put paper towels over the grate to help them when on the bottom eating etc. It also makes clean up much easier.

If you have some neosporin, I'd put a little on the whole leg. It looks deydrated and sore. You can use small toe nail clippers to trim the tips of the nails, but watch out for the quick, the pink portion, as it will bleed and not stop unless you have cornstarch or Quick Stop from the pet store.

I hope it improves. BTW, welcome to the forum. There is a lot of information in the Finch Information Center at the top left of your screen. There, you can find many answers to common questions and problems. Also, members are happy to answer questions and help out if we can.
Thank you so much for the response! My husband decided we should take her to the vet just to be sure it's not a broken leg (Beemo is a bit fussy and won't let us touch her, so it's hard to feel for anything physically). I will be throwing away the sandpaper and buying a rope perch, along with a small pedi-perch. I've read good and bad things about the cement/sandpaper.. but as long as they're not standing on it all the time, they should be okay, right?

So after the cage makeover, we'll have a natural branch perch, rope perch, pedi perch, and small wooden perch that goes across the whole cage. I'll definitely line the bottom with paper towels too.

I'm sure that the vet will clip her nails (without charging us too much). Broke college student right here. Could the foot be so irritated that she doesn't stand on it?

Thanks again, I'll keep you guys updated :)

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Post by jmollica » Tue May 27, 2014 2:49 pm

Angela&Shalamar wrote: Hmmm, I'd take a close look and make sure there's nothing caught around the leg, although that's not what it looks like. Also is she using the leg at all? I'd feel the leg gently and see if I can feel anything out of alignment or broken. Check the bottom of the food where the pads are and see if you see any type of injury or would that's not visible from the top. If she's puffing up I"d offer supplemental heat.
Hi! It doesn't seem that there is anything caught around the leg. When she's relaxing, she stands on one leg. But when she has to eat or bathe, she uses both. You can tell she is in pain when she uses it though :( She'll try to put the foot down and quickly bring it back up. Unfortunately she's fussy and doesn't like us touching her, so it will be difficult to feel her leg. Our apartment is about 74 as is. Will we need to buy a heat lamp?

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Post by delray » Tue May 27, 2014 3:11 pm

Welcome to the forum!!!! Hope your girls back foot will get better.
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Post by jmollica » Tue May 27, 2014 9:57 pm

Just a quick update everyone! Took Beemo to the vet, and after an x-ray, it is a broken leg, right near the foot. We have to give her pain relievers and anti-biotics for 10 days by mouth and see what happens. If the leg starts to change color, then "we have a problem" because it means infection that could spread to her whole body. She said it wouldn't be worth it to amputate the leg.. so I'm not really sure what that meant.

Has anyone else ever had to deal with this situation? I'm so sad for Beemo, but at least she has medicine now.

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Post by Corkysgirl » Tue May 27, 2014 11:36 pm

I'm happy you got Beemo checked out. You got great advice about not using the sand paper perches, and using the paper towels, etc. Just watch her very closely. Make sure you have low perches and low plates with food and water for easy access. Provide a heat lamp so she can stay warm but also an area to get away from it if it gets too warm. She should have a quiet area so there are no quick movements...ie cats about or anything to cause her to be alarmed. I'm sure there are others who know much more than me on the subject but I just wanted to welcome you to the site. You're taking good care of her. I'm not sure what he meant by it wouldn't be worth it to amputate. To me it sounds like he's putting a monetary value on your bird, and it would be pricey. Not sure. I would think it would be your decision if you wanted to try to save her. If it happens that she has to have her leg amputated, she will do fine with one leg. It happens more than occasionally. I will be praying she does well! Best wishes! [-o<

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Post by MiaCarter » Wed May 28, 2014 1:15 am

Aw, I'm sorry to hear this!

I'm actually surprised to hear it's broken as you mentioned she was using it (albeit uncomfortably.)
Typically, they won't put it down at all in the case of a break.

Hopefully she'll heal up quickly!

That "not worthwhile to amputate" makes me sad to hear. That's usually the standard answer for a small animal in cases where it would require a costly operation.
It may also be that if she reaches a point where amputation is necessary, she may be so physically unwell that it would make her very unlikely to survive.

But hopefully she'll be just fine and it will be a moot point.

Is the leg immobilized?
I hope so. That's usually what causes the most damage -- movement causes sharp bone ends to cut up the internal structures and tissues. It's usually more of a problem as healing progresses, because the swelling immobilizes the leg to a large degree. But once that subsides, it allows for more movement that can worsen the problem.
If it's not immobilized, I'd call your vet and ask about this. Vet wrap/self adhering bandages work beautifully for bird legs, but if she's touchy about her legs, I'm not sure I'd attempt it on your own.

As Corkysgirl recommended, I'd make it as easy for her as possible by providing a heat lamp and low perches and low, easily accessible food sources and so forth.
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Post by jmollica » Wed May 28, 2014 8:16 am

Thank you so much for keeping in touch. This morning I moved all the perches low towards food and water, wrapped the perches with paper towel, and lined the bottom with paper towel. I also covered the cage to keep the warmth inside. If the leg does get infected, I will catch it early enough to have it removed. I don't care about the dollar value of my pet. I love her too much to let her suffer. Hopefully it won't come down to that. Catching her and feeding her the medicine will be interesting, since she is very stubborn. And yes, she's a tough cookie and uses the leg when she shouldn't. Unfortunately we couldn't wrap the break because it's so close to the ankle.

I'll keep you updated :) Thanks again! Pray for Beemo's recovery!

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Post by jmollica » Wed May 28, 2014 8:49 am

Hospital Cage

I also forgot to ask, should we build a hospital cage? I've read that they help speed recovery. We have everything except a terannium and lamp. I just don't want to separate her from her friend Chunk. Would this help her recover?

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Post by Sally » Wed May 28, 2014 9:52 am

A hospital cage can be as simple as a regular cage with a nearby desk lamp to a custom-built box. I use a 24x16x16 cage as a hospital cage, so I can have a heat lamp at one end, yet the bird can move to the other end to get away from the heat. A terrarium can work, but it needs to be large enough so the bird can move away from the heat if needed. The important thing is that there is one area of heat, but another area that is not directly under the heat lamp, so the bird can regulate how much warmth it wants.

For a heat lamp, you can get inexpensive clamp-on reflectors at any home improvement store and use a 60w bulb (40w if the cage is very small). Or a gooseneck desk lamp works very well, as you can bend it to aim at one end of the cage.

The vet's comment may not have been referring to monetary value at all. Rather, it may be that if infection sets in and spreads, amputation would not save the bird.
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Post by Sally » Wed May 28, 2014 9:52 am

A hospital cage can be as simple as a regular cage with a nearby desk lamp to a custom-built box. I use a 24x16x16 cage as a hospital cage, so I can have a heat lamp at one end, yet the bird can move to the other end to get away from the heat. A terrarium can work, but it needs to be large enough so the bird can move away from the heat if needed. The important thing is that there is one area of heat, but another area that is not directly under the heat lamp, so the bird can regulate how much warmth it wants.

For a heat lamp, you can get inexpensive clamp-on reflectors at any home improvement store and use a 60w bulb (40w if the cage is very small). Or a gooseneck desk lamp works very well, as you can bend it to aim at one end of the cage.

The vet's comment may not have been referring to monetary value at all. Rather, it may be that if infection sets in and spreads, amputation would not save the bird.
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Post by MiaCarter » Wed May 28, 2014 10:39 am

Glad to hear you got her all set up nicely!

If you're willing to spend the money, I might have a very serious discussion with your vet about amputation now (if you haven't already).

If money is no object and the vet believes she's quite likely to get in infection, it may be best to amputate now, before her body is compromised by infection.
Often, by the time you see visible signs of infection in these little guys, it's already too late because they hide it well and they have a super fast metabolism, which means those processes tend to go a bit quicker.

I speak from experience. I had a wonderful hairless rat who had a bone tumor in his leg. It was very slow growing at first and he was well medicated and not in any pain. We took him into Angell Memorial said we'd wait until it was a real problem and then discuss amputation.
By the time we felt it was time to amputate, it had already spread to his pelvis, so removing the leg would have done no good. It was too late.
He died of a respiratory infection -- totally unrelated.

But he couldn't walk well in his last year of life. By the time he died, his leg/hip was the size of half a baseball. Thanks to pain meds he wasn't uncomfortable. But I wish I'd taken action sooner.
I'll caution you that these surgeries are *very* expensive. As a rat, he was considered an "exotic" and amputation was in the range of $1500. I had a pigeon foster who had a leg amputated. I didn't pay for it as he wasn't mine and it was covered by the rescue, but their "discounted" rate was still something like $500.
So I guess my point is that if you're willing to do it and there's a good chance she'll get an infection, I might consider doing it now while she's healthy. At least you'll have a better chance of walking away with a live bird at the end of the day.

I don't understand why it's so expensive, especially for a bird leg.
Heck, if I had anesthesia capabilities, I'd give it a go myself! LOL I mean, really! You're cutting something off and sewing the stump closed.
Remove the bone at the joint above the break, so it's a smooth bone end and not a sharp broken bone end. Leave some extra skin to cover the end of the limb. Cauterize or stitch any blood vessels. Stitch the skin closed with some dissolving stitches. Bandage it. Done. I could do it for $30 in sterile medical supplies and about half an hour of my time. :wink:
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Post by jmollica » Wed May 28, 2014 12:32 pm

Would something like this suffice? http://www.finchfriends.org/howto/hospital.html

I have all of the supplies except the terrarium and I could use my desk lamp for natural light. Will the heating pad work?

As for the infection, she said it wasn't a bad break. Hopefully when the antibiotics are done it will have progressed healing. Unfortunately money is an issue (to an extent), as a recent college grad, and we can't afford an expensive procedure if it's not absolutely necessary.

Has anyone had this situation where the break healed? Will it just fall off? Or is infection inevitable? I need some hope here :(

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