top of beak looks weard

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:24 am

hi i got a blue back gouldian male looking kind of kind of sick he is on eggs and on the last 3 days looking all fluffed up he eats ok and i notice that the top of the beak got a second layer i got him 2 months ago and didn't notice that before i send pictures i hope somebody can help

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:11 am

only one picture when't in the time

debbie276 · Post by **debbie276** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:27 am

Birds beaks do flake now and then, though it shouldn't cause the bird to fluff up. I'd offer some extra heat and reevaluate the droppings and symptoms.
good luck

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:15 pm

I agree... can you get a picture of the droppings. close up and clear?

Post by **lovezebs** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:27 pm

vslopes

My one male has the same problem with his beak. He is in excellent health other than that.
I don't know what it is either, and no one seems to be able to tell me what it is.

It doesn't seem to bother him, but I don't know what's causing it, or how to get rid of it. It's like a calcified build up on the top of his beak, and it's not flaking. None of my other males have it.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:04 pm

I have read that hormones can do this also... maybe the hormones are triggering the shedding????

The bird appears to be bending low over the perch... have you picked him up to examine him? Does he feel thin in the body, breast bone prominent? If the breast bone is prominent (feels and looks like a sharp "V") can you dampen the feathers slightly and pushing them from the side all the way to the sides exposing as much underside as possible?

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:47 pm

sorry for not answering sooner
i when't out to get a heather ,i had the gouldian in a hospital cage all day and he ate good and when i came back he whose looking fine and going crazy to came out sow i put im back in the large flight i got some fotos of the dropping in the hospital cage and i when't in the large flight and notice the that droppings got some millet on it please see if i can get some more help

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:24 am

hi i check my blue up this morning he looked better and i check the droppings on the flight and it seems that he is the only one out of 10 that got that yellow droppings with seeds on it and he is the one spending most of the time in the nest even when the female is there is mostly in there to please help

debbie276 · Post by **debbie276** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:01 pm

Yellow droppings can be yeast. Yellow droppings with undigested seeds and weight loss can be Campylobacter. Cochlosoma can also cause mustard colored droppings as well as giardia.
Not being a vet I could not tell you exactly what your dealing with.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:37 pm

I am leaning towards what Debbie mentioned it could... all those things can be treated. The treatment for yeast is organic apple cider vinegar and the other issues Debbie mentioned can be treated with Ronex 12% or Ronivet 12%. You can have parasites or issues in the gut with secondary yeast.

An avian vet is really your best way to go, they will do a fecal smear to see what is really in the droppings and what the bird is shedding. Swabs can be done.

If you have no access to a vet you can try a course of Ronex12% or Ronivet 12% made with ACV 1-2 tablespoons to one gallon of water. If your birds are not use to ACV back it down to 1 1/2 but for yeast they do recommend 2. Make your ACV first and use that to make the amount (usually a quart) of Ronex... store any extra in the fridge. (let warm to room temp before giving to the birds.)

If after 3 to 4 days and there is no improvement or if the bird worsens before that time let us know or try to find a vet ASAP.

Chance are if he is carrying something giardia and been in with other birds he may also have shared it with others.... you can also treat them with a round of just ronex as well.

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:55 pm

they are about to hatch the eggs at least 2 pairs and the other to are incubating can i use the ronivet12 now? i got some at home

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 1:00 pm

maybe some already hatch because they are eating extra today even food they never try like Perle Morbide they been refusing to eat for the last 2 weeks

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:53 pm

yes you can use it with young. Remove any charcoal and baths from the cage.

vslopes · Post by **vslopes** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:04 pm

i got a question for bird brain i don't no what atv mean is that the ronnivet 12?

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:15 pm

no - ACV is Apple Cider Vinegar (use organic Braggs)... Ronivet or Ronex are an anti-parasitic medication.

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