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Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Hi everyone. Sometimes I think I know about my birds, their health and breeding, then one goes and does something that I've never seen before that really worries me. :shock:

I'm breeding my little finches and as you know I have had a few hiccups that is nothing major or worrying however when my best male starts to look poorly I have to stand up and take notice to maybe intervene for his life maybe in jeopardy.

What it is, is yesterday I witnessed he was wobbling his head. I would approach the cage and he'd snap out of it and hop around around and then end up back in his nest. Afterwards he'd come out again, eat and then pause sitting on a perch and start wobbling his head again. He's doing this a lot.

His crop appears very very full. He's generally messy but so is the hen because they are feeding 5 chicks. He eats, often, drinks as usual but his crop area is bulging and the main thing is he's fluffed and wobbles his head with his eyes half to fully closed. It's not neurological, it's like he has something literally stuck in his throat and is trying to shift it.

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- I have bred him before and had no issues.
- Diet is varied to include egg, veggies, vitamin supplements, grit, seed and water.
- Hen is ok.
- The pair are in their own cage.
- Only been doing this for about 24 hours

I captured an example of him doing it but he's shy of my phone so it's been hard. He does sit on a perch and carry on for much longer normally.

By the way. I keep a lot of birds in the same room, so it's a noisy audio. You can turn it down or even mute it as the he's not making any sounds when he does this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DETcRxu_Cuo

I thought I should remove him to a hospital cage and immediately rest him. Let him relax and stop having to feed young. But that leaves the hen alone with 5 young chicks. He's a lovely bird, my first cock zebra and I dont want to risk his health. What are your thoughts Zebra specialists..... [-o<
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Sally » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:00 pm

I'm no Zebra expert, but he does look like he's trying to shake something loose. I'd be tempted to put him in the hospital cage with a heat lamp and see how he does. The hen should be able to feed the 5 chicks by herself.
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by lovezebs » Sun Mar 20, 2016 1:37 am

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Hi Sue.

Is that his crop showing through his neck feathers?
Is it possible that his crop is soured or impacted? (Not digesting his seeds properly? )

Here's an article I found that may be helpful.

I would place him in a hospital cage, with a warm light. Mum, should be ok feeding the kids on her own.
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=w ... YBzr48Taqw

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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:43 am

He's still been doing it today.
Yes, Elana I can see the crop through his feathers. Full of food and bulging.

5 chicks in the nest, will mum really be ok? If I took him out for several hours to allow his crop to flush empty in a cage with just water could that help? Could I put him back in after or will his instincts have forgotten about the nest and his duties?

I realise if he has got a soured crop he may need some treatment but at least this may allow for his system to empty if it is something lodged in his throat or crop.

Poor guy, it's always one of the favorites isn't it...mind you they're all favorites!
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:54 am

My poor little Ginger.

He's in hospital in the lounge with me in a teeny cage to limit movements on a heat mat covered with a towel. I don't own a heat lamp.

I inspected him and sadly he has a massive lump on one side of his neck. It's not food in the crop, it is hard to touch. I can still see some food in the crop on the other side and he generally just looks a mess.

His breathing is laboured, beak open and he's fluffed up.

I have no idea it it's an infection or a tumor but tumors can't just appear over night so I'm going with infection in the crop or the neck.

I'm not hopeful and feel like I am just giving him some peace for his last few hours. For a few hours I'm removing food to see if the crop empties. He has water all the time. I've covered him and he's sitting quietly on the bottom on the warm floor.

The bulge is obvious and quite big :cry:

I don't have anti-biotics and even though I have access to an avian vet nearby it'll be a high cost compared to...well to be blunt compared to his value. It sounds terrible doesn't it. Please don't judge me, I love this little zebra and he was my first bought little boy, my best beautiful little fella but what do I do.

Are there any herbal or organic remedies I could try. Lemon water, little soft food like eggs, watery greens or is it simply 'less is more'?

Mum is carrying on with the 5 chicks and feeding them well. She'll be a busy little bee now!
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:21 am

update:
His vent was blocked with clumpy feces. I've washed him using warm water and cotton wool pads. His poop is very yellow.
The seeds in his crop are still there. I can massage the and they move around.
The swelling is the same. I can't make out if it is in the crop or neck but I'm going with crop. The swelling is deep red, not white but I'm not ruling out a yeast infection.
He's still breathing fast through his beak.
I haven't offered more food yet but he has water.
I've been reading about flushing the crop with ant-acid/bicarb soda but I'm way too novice to do this.
Poor baby just looks so sorry for himself.
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Post by Babs _Owner » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:49 am

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I m sorry you're having a bad time with your favorite zebra :(

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Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:57 am

Babs thanks.
I've now added food and he's surprisingly got an appetite. He's still wobbling his head, the poor fella. I can hear his meep is muffled too. His nexck is just so swollen with this lump :cry:
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Babs _Owner » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:55 am

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Birds will still eat sometimes when they have yeast . Have you tried Nystatin? I'm not sure how well it works if the yeast has gotten really bad.

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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:49 pm

Babs wrote: Animalzoo

Birds will still eat sometimes when they have yeast . Have you tried Nystatin? I'm not sure how well it works if the yeast has gotten really bad.
I've not tried anything. What is that?
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:20 pm

Babs I Googled it. Don't have it. I can go to a pharmacy to buy something over the counter but how would I administer something that comes in tablet form for a human and/or liquid.

Note, this only my assumption its yeast. Might not be at all.
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Post by Babs _Owner » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:16 pm

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Ive used Nystatin in handfeeding formula if a baby's crop is emptying slow. It worked well, but I dont know how it would work for advanced yeast.

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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by lnlovesorange » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:50 pm

Animalzoo Just saw this thread. How is he doing Sue? I know I've been told ACV (apple cider vinegar) can help get rid of yeast i believe.... and it's not bad for them if it's NOT yeast. I hope he's ok, I understand you can't get meds, and I understand about the cost of an avian vet.... I ran into a similar situation. My bird had a growth on her head... It was Awful....long story but anyway. I hope your little guy can pull through. Also, you don't have to have a Heat lamp per se you can get a regular 60 watt bulb and a goodseneck lamp, or anything that will hold that and put it over the cage, that provides enough heat,(not that you have to, the mat seems to be enough) but just figured I'd let you know. Good luck, and please keep us posted on how he's doing...

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Post by Animalzoo » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:16 pm

lnlovesorange Thanks. I do have simple cider vinegar in my dry cupboard but it doesn't say apple. Ingredients read cider and antioxidant. If this is the stuff how do I administer it and how often?

He's had more seed through the evening and his crop is quite full. I've since removed the seed to stop him eating. The only thing in with him is water.

My house is chilly at the moment. All Spanish houses are cold and it's been raining all day and evening. We don't have central heating so I'm relying on a warm air blower to keep me comfortable so I'm certainly leaving him on the heat mat. He can sit in the covered, dark, small cage feeling warm all night at least.

I inspected him just now and I'm pretty certain the lump is in his crop but its high up and towards the back of his neck. Not literally on the very back of his neck but if I had to use anatomy to describe I would say just below and behind his ear. It's about 1cm big, hard to the touch and red in colour. Unlike food in his crop it doesnt move about.

I hate feeling helpless. Especially when I know breeding him has stimulated this to happen, he's such a nice and pretty boy. None of the sons he had from his clutch of babies before looked anything like him so I think he's quite a special and unique little fella.
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Re: Zebra Wobbly Head

Post by cindy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:50 pm

there is a possibility the crop has become impacted by grit or the bird has trichomonas or yeast. If the crop is red it could be infected and using the ACV my irritated it.... Nystatin is good for fungal and yeast.


is it possible to get a photo of the area dampen his feathers and push them off the area and try to get a very clear photo and post it here...

Also his body thin, look in his beak can you see any cheesy yellow build up?

I would also remove the grit it can impact crops, they do not need it....they hull their seed. We are seeing more impacted crops lately on some of the groups due to grit. Also if eating it while feeding young it can be problematic for young.

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