Separate zebra finch pair- Stress?

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:02 pm

haroun wrote:
Flight Feathers wrote: If her mate is a normal gray and she is white then you should be able to get both normal grays and whites as both mutations are dominant, am I correct?
Wrong
Grey is wild type and considred as dominante
White is recessive, to be shown needs both parents to be at least split for white
And i'm telling this for pure white, not about those whites offsprings of over brooded pieds .

Okay thanks haroun must've read that wrong somewhere then!

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:10 pm

How did I get that wrong lol! Just one thing- how come I'm only getting fawn smudged whites and fawns when I breed my fawn smudged white with my fawn or is fawn smudged white different again? Because from my pied male I can get CFWs and he is not a CFW so does this mean I should be able to also get some different colors from my fawn smudged white?

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:44 pm

Flight Feathers wrote: How did I get wrongl! Just one thing- how come I'm only getting fawn smudged whites and fawns when I breed my fawn smudged white with my fawn or is fawn smudged white different again? Because from my pied male I can get CFWs and he is not a CFW so does this mean I should be able to also get some different colors from my fawn smudged white?

I think you male is pied fawn it is a combo of two mutations, one recessive cf pied, the second is sexlinked cf fawn
The fawn hen is also split for pied.
As i have explained you can have cfw from non cfw mates cause the male could be split for cfw. Sexlinked mean that the genome of the mutation is located in sexual chromosome.

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:53 pm

So are you meaning my pied or my white?

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:53 pm

Yes my pied male does have CFW genes as he has 4 CFW babies so far

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:54 pm

How is my fawn hen split for pied?

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:54 pm

Sorry about all the questions haroun lol!

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:01 pm

Flight Feathers Fraza

In the opposite of the human, in the bird waorld, the hen is the responsable of the sex fo the future chick.
Her sexual chromosome pair is Zw, and the male has a sexual chromosome pair ZZ.
The mutation cfw, fawn, Light back are sexlinked so they'r located on that chromosome Z
So a fawn hen Has Z(f) w as chromosomes, and as she has only one Z chromosome so she could be fawn or not and never split.
Forthe male the mutation's genome could only in one or on both Z
If on one Z the male is split
Male split for fawn has Z(f)Z, a shown fawn male has Z(f) Z(f)

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:21 pm

No problem for asked question. If canr.
i'll try to explain u how did you get cfw hen from ur pied and regular grey.
I'll not treat the pied factor and l'll considere that male is grey

If ur male was not split for cfw so sexual chromosome are ZZ
You hen is grey...... Zw
the out come are
ZZ, ZZ, Zw, Zw so all offsprings are grey. No cfw

If male is split for cfw chromosomes are like this
Z(cfw) Z
Hen Zw pure grey
The outcomes are
1-Z(cfw)Z. Male split for cfw
2-Z(cfw) w this ur hen zw mean hen and cfw

3-ZZ regular grey male
4.-Zw regular grey hen

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:27 pm

Wow that's so confusing, But I'm sure I'll get it eventually!! But basicly CFW genes come from normal pied male. So can domanint genes carry other genes too or is it just recessive genes?

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:32 pm

Flight Feathers wrote: How is my fawn hen split for pied?

Because of this

Flight Feathers wrote: How did I get that wrong lol! Just one thing- how come I'm only getting fawn smudged whites and fawns when I breed my fawn smudged white with my fawn or is fawn smudged white different again? Because from my pied male I can get CFWs and he is not a CFW so does this mean I should be able to also get some different colors from my fawn smudged white?

Can u put pics of that mate

Flight Feathers · Post by **Flight Feathers** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:34 pm

The fawn hen or fawn smudged white? Does that not mean the male is split for fawn rather than the hen? I will try and post pics later but they're currently sitting on their little pink babies so might be a bit hard.

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:39 pm

Flight Feathers wrote: Wow that's so confusing,Light I'm sure I'll get it eventually!! But basicly CFW genes come from normal pied male. So can domanint genes carry other genes too or is it just recessive genes?

No cfw can be carried by any othet genese even a Light back, one condition the carrier must be a a male
There no contraints that a bf male, a pied male, and a light back male to carry cfw gene, the opposite is imposdible if sex of the bird is hen.

Ps also cfw split for Light back is also impossible

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:40 pm

Flight Feathers wrote: The fawn hen or fawn smudged white? Does that not mean the male is split for fawn rather than the hen? I will try and post pics later but they're currently sitting on their little pink babies so might be a bit hard.

Okay no problem can u post pics of their juvies

haroun · Post by **haroun** » Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:44 pm

A small exercice if u wish lol
What are the out come of
A light back/cfw male and a cfw hen.?
A little help a light back/ cfw genes are Z(lb)Z(cfw). Ps lb dominates cfw.

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