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New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by artgecko » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:06 pm

Hello all!

I went to the ATL bird fair and came home with 3 male gouldians. These were sold by a broker who said they were young birds and had already been treated for mites and wormed.

All of the brokers's birds appeared active and healthy, alert, and many with breeding colors showing.

We went with a normal red head, a white-breast red-head, and a yellow-head. The only thing "off" that I noticed at the show was that the yellow head had a small patch of missing feathers on his face, but the broker said it was either due to moulting or being pecked at by females while in the close quarters of the show cage.

When I got home, I noticed that the bald patch was a little bigger than I had thought. I treated all birds with scat just in case (applied on neck) then put them into quarantine setup as far away from my others as possible (different floor of the house, etc.).

I posted pics of them to a FB finch group and a kind poster told me that the normal red-head's beak looked long and probably needed to be trimmed and that the yellow-head's bald patch was due to balding, not moulting. He linked me to ladygouldianfinch's article about balding.

I will post pics of both below and would like your feedback.
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The white-breast male was not puffed up at the show, but is a little puffed now (as seen in the pic) it could be due to the cool temps (house temp is about 65 in their room) but I will report if this continues. I gave them a heat lamp on low over a corner of their cage just in case.

What I'm doing now diet-wise:
Setup has a cuttlebone, a dish with charcoal, oyster shell, and crushed egg shells. They have access to an open water source and tubes of water. A separate bowl with some higgins egg food (dry), a dish of finch seed with roudybush (the smallest size) and kelp powder sprinkled over it and a small dish with dried "herb salad". They also have some spray millet hanging in the cage.

Their quarantine cage is roughly 24" L x 12"W x 18"H and has a swing and several perches, a couple sand perches, a natural branch, and some fake silk foliage. If this cage is too small, I have a slightly larger one (30" x 18"x18") that could be setup to be used, but I don't want to stress them by moving unless needed.

I am planning on continuing to give the kelp powder daily sprinkled on seed mix to *hopefully* help with the balding if iodine is the cause. I also plan to do a prepared egg food (mixed with boiled egg, shell, and veggies) every 2-3 days, but was unsure how often I should give wet food for these guys.

If you have any advice, I would love to hear it. I thought I was purchasing birds from a reputable source, and didn't expect issues, but I guess I should have expected some issues buying from a bird fair.

I have gotten in touch with a breeder and am hoping to purchase my next finches directly... Pending if I can make things work with these lol.
Thank you for your time and help!

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Babs _Owner » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:08 pm

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Too much iodine can cause thyroid issues from what I have read. Too much iodine can be as bad as too little.

My instincts bring me to sprinkle some iodine infused kelp twice a month and no more. Im only speculating, but in the wild I would imagine our feathered kid dont eat iodine weekly or daily. And I myself as a lover of pure salt would never eat iodine-salt everyday. So my realization was "why do my birds need it more than me?"

If parasites are not the issue, I go to calcium and proteins automatically. So a boiled egg/ crushed eggshell diet can do wonders for feather growth.

The rest of their diet sounds great! Good job!

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Flight Feathers » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:42 am

Sorry, I know nothing about gouldians but I can say that yours look very beautiful!!
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by lovezebs » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:38 am

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Congratulations on your new birds!

Regarding being a bit puffed up, it could very well be due to cool temps. I keep the temp at around 70-72 F, plus lights.

Regarding the iodine (kelp) don't over do it, or you'll run into trouble.

For feather issues, I can strongly recommend ordering Feather Fast, and use that untill feather issues are resolved (cutting out other vitamines and minerals while using it).

Regarding diet, I would offer a good quality Finch Seed mix, and offer some fresh Veggies. Fresh hard boiled eggs, are a wonderful source of protein and many other nutrients.... I would offer twice a week for non breeding birds. A bit of veg can be offered every day.

As to beak trimming, would you have a close up picture of this bird's beak?

In regards to your cage.... it is quite small. However, if it's only for a short while, than it should not be a big issue. What type of cage or flight are you planning for them in the future?

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by artgecko » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:26 pm

Thank you for your input!

@Babs I will have to look at the instructions on the kelp powder. I know the ladygouldian article on balding said to "dose as directed" for 3-4 weeks and you would see an improvement if that was the issue. I def. don't want to offer too much if that will cause problems

@lovezebs I am going to try to get a closer-up picture today. They ar still very skittish and freak out whenever I am near the cage, so pics are hard to do.

Their quarantine cage does seem small to me... They will only be in it for a month, then they will be moved into a 3'x2'x2' flight cage. If you think the slightly larger spare cage I have (30"x18"x18") would be a great improvement for this month, I could move them into it. I'm just not sure if the stress of being caught and moved would outweigh the benefit.

Regarding diet, I tried fresh veggies and some prepared egg food (dry added to boiled egg with shell and millet) and they did not seem interested at all. I will try veggies again tomorrow and see if I have any takers. I have dry egg food in the cage now in a separate dish, and I have seen them eating that, so that is something at least. I will keep trying with the boiled egg in hopes they will eat it.

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by artgecko » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:28 pm

Flight Feathers Thanks! They are great looking finches. I'm hoping they survive quarantine and get even better looking once I get their diet straightened out. :)

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by artgecko » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:52 pm

lovezebs Here are some more pics I took today. These are not the best..Cell phone and zoomed in.

From these I think the YH needs his lower beak trimmed..Looks like it is longer than the top beak.

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I have looked up some videos on beak trimming and they made it seem less scary, but I'd love an image guide to what a properly proportioned beak looks like so I know what the goal is. We don't have a vet that will even see birds here, so I think I'll have to trim it myself.

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by wildbird » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:01 am

The first two pictures look ok to me. Can't really tell on the last picture. Would have to see a side view. I would not try trimming any of them. You can get lava rock with a screw through it so that it can be screwed on the side of the cage near food for the birds to use to wipe their beak on, and they will keep their beak trim naturally. These can be bought on line or catalog from Drs.FosterSmith.com or 800-443-1160. Even a sandstone or rough rock on the floor near their food could help.

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Flight Feathers » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:49 am

If you are worried about the health of your gouldians , you can treat with collidal silver! Collidal silver is the only medicine I have ever used for my birds!! Apparently it even improves breeding results so I'm going to give it to my birds daily rather than whenever they get sick! For more about collidal silver for birds:
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Flight Feathers » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:50 am

Oh and on another website it says collidal silver is a must for all bird breeders ( and all bird owners too!! )
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by lovezebs » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:52 am

artgecko

Those long thin bits, can be snipped off with small nail clippers (marked with darker blue).

What concerns me is the section (circled in lighter blue) on the face of your orange head boy. What is going on there? (or is that just a distortion of ths photo?).

As mentioned above, I'd also offer some rough surfaced stones (lava, etc.) Into the cage to help them keep their beaks in shape.

Regarding what a beak should look like in profile, observe the picture right below....
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Fraza » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm

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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Sally » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:12 am

Flight Feathers wrote: If you are worried about the health of your gouldians , you can treat with collidal silver! Collidal silver is the only medicine I have ever used for my birds!! Apparently it even improves breeding results so I'm going to give it to my birds daily rather than whenever they get sick! For more about collidal silver for birds:
https://ladygouldianfinch.com/features_ ... silver.php
I read that website, and nowhere does it recommend feeding daily. I would be cautious about giving any kind of supplement on a daily basis, do to the risk of overdosing.
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by Flight Feathers » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:26 am

Sally wrote:
Flight Feathers wrote: If you are worried about the health of your gouldians , you can treat with collidal silver! Collidal silver is the only medicine I have ever used for my birds!! Apparently it even improves breeding results so I'm going to give it to my birds daily rather than whenever they get sick! For more about collidal silver for birds:
https://ladygouldianfinch.com/features_ ... silver.php
I read that website, and nowhere does it recommend feeding daily. I would be cautious about giving any kind of supplement on a daily basis, do to the risk of overdosing.
There is another website that says how much to give to each different kind of bird daily :)
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Re: New Gouldians! Questions about 2 (health)

Post by lovezebs » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:47 am

Flight Feathers

I have never used it, and never seen it anywhere.

Is it a medication, a supplement, a Vitamine? What is it supposed to do?
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