Essi's Concerned about her Gouldians
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:34 pm
Here's a posting that was sent to me privately and she said I could post this, which I would like to do in order to get everyones feedback. This is for Essi of Finland and she has a few serious concerns with her new Gouldians. Let's see if we can put our experiences together and give Essi some possibilities. Here's her situation -
From: kaija
To: L in Ontario (Online)
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Greetings From Finland ;)
I need some help and I don´t like to write in forum with my english skills
I hope you understand me and if you have broblems to understand, just ask and i try to do better work with it
I have 5 gouldians at the moment and i allready have some broblems wiith them... health boblems...
short story about me and my birds
I have had parrots 10 years now... at the moment we are living in "detached house" and our birds are living in their own floor... 2 pyrrhura frontalis females and one eclectus female (i use to have pair... female eliminated male while nesting... after 10 years living together and several times nestin was successful... i used different nest box and that was it )
I got these gouldians 6 months ago from finnish "breeder" 5 males... In first week one was dead (stress in new plase or something)and after one month there was second deth (with no reason at all... day before this bird was totally normal singin active boy and next day dead.... crop was ok and food was ok in it.. weight was normal and no signs of violence)... Soon after that i bought 2 "females" from other "birdceeper" and one of my friend carry them to me.... These 2 birds where over 1 year old and they still had their babyfeathers on...(I didn´t got any pictures bifore i bought them) So they where kind of brown birds and i dont´know still if they are males or females.... (they had moved these birds while these babys where starting to moult and that was the first reason... after 3 months tey where startin moult again and at that time they where transsferred to me and this mout was stopped with that)
Now we can start wit our broblems
You have eclectus and you know what is "toetapping" 2 of my gouldians got this toetappin I dont´know what to do! I haven´t found any help from internet... (magnesium of zinc or something missing??) And that is not our only problem... There is one differend male with bould cheeks and these two "females" do have massive moult and they can still fly short distances but if they get sceard they will drop in floor and they can not get up.... (every other wing "feather" is missing and they get only 1 meter of the ground...) My gouldians are living in 3m x 3m room with sand floor and small window... they have several full spectrum lights...
All these birds do have molt at the moment and that is also our broblem... They are not eatin anything else but seeds.... I make every morning eggfood with sprouts and carrot and other green food... they woun´t even taste it.... should i have some other finches in there??
I allready find 3 REAL females and i take them to us after tis moultin season...(these birds are eating well all kind of food) And next summer there is 10 more birds coming to us if i only can solve some broblems before that... Owner of these 10 gouldians suffers with same broblems... Boulding heads.... These bould heads are related and i heard that they can have bad genes??? Do you belive that theory?
Do you use kelp or spirulina? How much protein do you use? What kind of vitamins you are usin? Other stuff??? Do you have extra heat? Do you think that 22 celsius is not enough for these birds??
I´m really sorry about my language skills I know that you have some fun time when you are readin my typing errors!!
I do hope you can help me with this toe tapping and moult and eating broblems... You can use my questions in forum if you think it is necessary.
Thank you for your time
- Essi
(we don´t use these regards and other stuff at the end of our letters in Finland and I dont´t even know how to use them and when it is ok to say somethin... I hope you can understand it.... And our finnis language is not as polite as english... So i allready ask for forgiveness with that... it is not so easy to start using totally new unused words and sentences in differend language... i´m wery grateful if you ansver to us )
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Hi Essi of Finland!!! Welcome to the Finch Forum!!! I loved your letter and your English if very very good - I have no problem understanding you at all. I do have a question or two to ask you also about your birds but I would very much like to post your story and questions on the forum. I have a few answers but I know others with more experience than me would love to help you too.
I do know about Eclectus and toe-tapping as mine did that for quite a while when I first got her. I'm very sorry to hear about your male Eclectus - that must have been very hard on you. When you talk about Gouldians doing the toe-tapping are you talking about their front toe or back toe. It's perfectly normal for finches back toe to move like that in rhythm with their breathing. I keep my birdroom at 19 or 20 Celcius and they all do fine with that - parrots, finches and babies.
Yes I use Spirulina and powdered Kelp and Liquid Kelp and Calcium and Vitamins and charcoal and Oyster Grit. The protein I give them is in the hardboiled egg (mashed including the shell) and mixed with soaked seed (for about 24 hours and rinsed very well) and can also mix in some minced brocolli flowerettes and minced carrot too. That is good for vitamin A which you know can be a cause of toe-tapping in Eclectus (deficiency of vitamin A). Balding may be caused by moulting or by lack of Iodine which can be given in the form of powdered kelp or liquid kelp.
I know lots of people would be very happy to offer you even more advice and experience. I will post your story and my answers on the forum and I hope you come there and introduce yourself in the Introductions then come find this posting under Health.
Talk to you real soon I hope and again WELCOME!!
Liz
PS - don't worry about Regards and all that - we are not formal here just very friendly and helpful.
From: kaija
To: L in Ontario (Online)
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Greetings From Finland ;)
I need some help and I don´t like to write in forum with my english skills
I hope you understand me and if you have broblems to understand, just ask and i try to do better work with it
I have 5 gouldians at the moment and i allready have some broblems wiith them... health boblems...
short story about me and my birds
I have had parrots 10 years now... at the moment we are living in "detached house" and our birds are living in their own floor... 2 pyrrhura frontalis females and one eclectus female (i use to have pair... female eliminated male while nesting... after 10 years living together and several times nestin was successful... i used different nest box and that was it )
I got these gouldians 6 months ago from finnish "breeder" 5 males... In first week one was dead (stress in new plase or something)and after one month there was second deth (with no reason at all... day before this bird was totally normal singin active boy and next day dead.... crop was ok and food was ok in it.. weight was normal and no signs of violence)... Soon after that i bought 2 "females" from other "birdceeper" and one of my friend carry them to me.... These 2 birds where over 1 year old and they still had their babyfeathers on...(I didn´t got any pictures bifore i bought them) So they where kind of brown birds and i dont´know still if they are males or females.... (they had moved these birds while these babys where starting to moult and that was the first reason... after 3 months tey where startin moult again and at that time they where transsferred to me and this mout was stopped with that)
Now we can start wit our broblems
You have eclectus and you know what is "toetapping" 2 of my gouldians got this toetappin I dont´know what to do! I haven´t found any help from internet... (magnesium of zinc or something missing??) And that is not our only problem... There is one differend male with bould cheeks and these two "females" do have massive moult and they can still fly short distances but if they get sceard they will drop in floor and they can not get up.... (every other wing "feather" is missing and they get only 1 meter of the ground...) My gouldians are living in 3m x 3m room with sand floor and small window... they have several full spectrum lights...
All these birds do have molt at the moment and that is also our broblem... They are not eatin anything else but seeds.... I make every morning eggfood with sprouts and carrot and other green food... they woun´t even taste it.... should i have some other finches in there??
I allready find 3 REAL females and i take them to us after tis moultin season...(these birds are eating well all kind of food) And next summer there is 10 more birds coming to us if i only can solve some broblems before that... Owner of these 10 gouldians suffers with same broblems... Boulding heads.... These bould heads are related and i heard that they can have bad genes??? Do you belive that theory?
Do you use kelp or spirulina? How much protein do you use? What kind of vitamins you are usin? Other stuff??? Do you have extra heat? Do you think that 22 celsius is not enough for these birds??
I´m really sorry about my language skills I know that you have some fun time when you are readin my typing errors!!
I do hope you can help me with this toe tapping and moult and eating broblems... You can use my questions in forum if you think it is necessary.
Thank you for your time
- Essi
(we don´t use these regards and other stuff at the end of our letters in Finland and I dont´t even know how to use them and when it is ok to say somethin... I hope you can understand it.... And our finnis language is not as polite as english... So i allready ask for forgiveness with that... it is not so easy to start using totally new unused words and sentences in differend language... i´m wery grateful if you ansver to us )
************************************************************
Hi Essi of Finland!!! Welcome to the Finch Forum!!! I loved your letter and your English if very very good - I have no problem understanding you at all. I do have a question or two to ask you also about your birds but I would very much like to post your story and questions on the forum. I have a few answers but I know others with more experience than me would love to help you too.
I do know about Eclectus and toe-tapping as mine did that for quite a while when I first got her. I'm very sorry to hear about your male Eclectus - that must have been very hard on you. When you talk about Gouldians doing the toe-tapping are you talking about their front toe or back toe. It's perfectly normal for finches back toe to move like that in rhythm with their breathing. I keep my birdroom at 19 or 20 Celcius and they all do fine with that - parrots, finches and babies.
Yes I use Spirulina and powdered Kelp and Liquid Kelp and Calcium and Vitamins and charcoal and Oyster Grit. The protein I give them is in the hardboiled egg (mashed including the shell) and mixed with soaked seed (for about 24 hours and rinsed very well) and can also mix in some minced brocolli flowerettes and minced carrot too. That is good for vitamin A which you know can be a cause of toe-tapping in Eclectus (deficiency of vitamin A). Balding may be caused by moulting or by lack of Iodine which can be given in the form of powdered kelp or liquid kelp.
I know lots of people would be very happy to offer you even more advice and experience. I will post your story and my answers on the forum and I hope you come there and introduce yourself in the Introductions then come find this posting under Health.
Talk to you real soon I hope and again WELCOME!!
Liz
PS - don't worry about Regards and all that - we are not formal here just very friendly and helpful.
. This is a very relaxed, friendly forum, and we accept each other just as we are.
)
