Ronivet-S

[debbie276]

Has anyone noticed that the Ronivet-S now comes in 2 different strengths? There is the original 6% and now a 12% Ronidazole. In the directions for the 6% it says "1 teaspoon to 1 quart of drinking water" and for the 12% it says "1 teaspoon per gallon of fresh drinking water". Does anyone else think that sounds a bit off?

I know a lot of people recommend using the 6% at 4x the strength but now I think we should be asking which strength they have first.
Any thoughts?

[Hilary]

Wow, thanks for bringing this up! I'm still using an old container, but eventually will have to buy some more. Double the strength but four times as much water? Hmmmm.

[Sally]

I have Ronsivet 10% from Frisky Finches. It says to use 2 tsp. to a gallon of water. But I see on their website that they now have a 12% solution, and say use 1 1/2 tsp. per gallon. I didn't realize that you could use the 6% (which I didn't have anyway) at 4X the strength. No wonder people get confused. I have a few birds that are 'off' right now, so I decided to treat all with the Ronsivet, so will have to order more--guess I'd better shop around and see what is out there now.

[debbie276]

wow, I've never heard of 10% before. It is getting very confusing.

[cindy]

I used the Ronivent 12% recently on my 2 pairs of owls. They were ok on it for the first day or two but after that one of the owls sat puffed and looked not so good. After the treatment I use probiotics for the time prescribed. He looked much better after that and has been energetic and active.

I was concerned that the medication in the 12% concentration was a bit strong. At one point I feared I would loose him.

Side note: I believe the owl had a yeast infection from the stress of travel from the breeders to two shows in one weekend and then adjusting to our home. The other 3 seemed great from the start.

[nixity]

I have never heard of anyone using the dosage on the bottle anyways.

Most people that I know double-quadruple the dosage for the 6%.
The reason being that the bottle dosage is not potent enough to handle most of the protozoal infections it is indicated to treat.

Many medications are dosed at 1/4 their possible dosage rate anyways - this helps prevent accidental overdose.

In any case..
The 12% really just makes increasing the potency easier since most people do it anyways.

You would just use the 12% dose at the dose you should use the 6% - so 1 teaspoon per quart or whatever it is

[debbie276]

1 teaspoon per quart is 4x the strength of 6%. So wouldn't 1 teaspoon per quart of the 12% make it 8x the strength of 6%?

[nixity]

1 teaspoon per quart is 4x the strength of 6%. So wouldn't 1 teaspoon per quart of the 12% make it 8x the strength of 6%?

I couldn't remember what the dosage was for the 6% per the instructions on the bottle - does it say 1 teaspoon per quart on the bottle or is that the altered dose for it to be 4x the strength? I don't have any of my meds with me at the new place yet so I can't double check :\

I just realized you were Debbie from GK

[debbie276]

Hi Tiffany,
Yup, it's me.

According to the websites the 6% says "Dose rate 4 grams per 4 Litres of drinking water for 7 days for large birds, 1 teaspoon to 1 quart of drinking water for smaller birds for 7 days."

4 grams = 1 teaspoon, 4 liters = 1 gallon

The 12% it says "1 teaspoon per gallon of fresh drinking water"

I assumed, and I probably shouldn't do that, that the teaspoon to quart was 4x the strength that most reccommend with the 6%. So then I would think that the 12% should be a teaspoon to half gallon to be the same as the 6% at 4x the strength.

Giving myself a headache. LOL

[ac12]

How do I mix this in a SMALL batch? Like 1 ounce.
The bottle that I have says 4g to 4L (1 scoop per gal), which is equivalent to 1g to 1L.
At the 4x dosage, that is 1g to 250ml
I need to get down to 1oz (63ml) or less. So that is 1/4 gram, or 1/4 scoop.
Mixing a fresh batch each day means I can't mix up a larger easier to measure batch and parcel it out over 5 days....or can I?

[kinnika]

I had the same problem here but I went for mixing 1 cup of the potion. What I did because I do not have a scale is take 1 scoop and put it on a clean piece of paper then proceeded to cut it into 4 portions. I put the portions in film canisters and now I just mix it 1 canister to 1 cup of water. NOT very scientific I know but it seems to be working. Between the drinking water and the bath water I usually throw away about 1/3 of a cup.

[ac12]

kinnika
That is a good idea. If the dividing mound is symetrical, the divide into 4 parts should be pretty close.

I have a scale, but it does not go below 1 gram.

I checked my drinking water, and they drank very little. I'm going to have to measure the water I put in and what is left. But I think they drank less than 5ml.

Maybe if I use some NV powder it will taste better and they will drink. That seemed to work on one bird and S76, which I was told does not taste good.

[kinnika]

I have a bath in the bottom of my cage and I find they drink more out of it then the water dish. Not very scientific but it works LOL.

[ac12]

I just tried this AM to dosage for 30ml of water, using the physical divide method, and it was hard and likely very imprecise.
I want a mix of 1/8g into 30ml of water

1 spoon = 1 gram
divide the pile in 4 = 1/4 g per divided pile
divide the 1/4 g pile in 2 = 1/8 g per divided pile

I just thought of something.
Use a reloading powder scale. These scales measure in grains.
1 oz = 435 grains
1 gram = 15.43 grains
1/8 gram = 1.9 grains

Here are some lower cost scales
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=712103
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There are more expensive digital scales
http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseP ... 731***9211***

I just found one that is a bit more expensive but reads in grams, so you don't have to convert to grains.
http://www.digitalscale.net/digiweigh_p ... p#dw100axn

I plan to order one, but it won't arrive till I'm done needing it. But I will have it around for the next time.

[Meagan83]

I just got some of this yesterday and made up a gallon of it. Does it maintain potency if refrigerated after being mixed? Or do you have to make the mixture fresh every morning?