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She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:48 am
by RaduPalanga
Hello again! I'm the guy with the seemingly big cage again. The one that I initially thought is HUGE, but was later dismissed as "not big enough" :(

It's been over a month since I got this pair of cute finches. About 3 weeks ago, I noticed they're mating (or trying to... the male jumps on the female but is unable to stay that way for more than 2-3 seconds at a time). Was asking myself "when are they gonna make it?". Now, the time seems to have come.

Starting yesterday, I've noticed abnormal behaviour. She's jumping around, mumbling (not sure how else to put it?). He just sits, barely sings (he used to sing a lot). I wanted to film their behaviour, thinking there's something wrong with them. Boy was I wrong!

They seem to have succeeded at mating, as she is trying to build her nest. I started filming, and have uploaded the videos on YouTube.

Video #1
He's stationary, very quiet. She's moving around, "mumbling", while carrying a straw in her beek.
Notice the placement of the nest and its entrance.

Video #2
I've decided to move one of the sticks closer to the nest, so they can have better access to its entrance. Notice how the male and the female are trying to pull straws apart from the nest now (where earlier only SHE was doing this), only to drop them later.

Video 3
I installed the "thing" I filmed towards the end of the second video. Not sure how to call it, really.
You can see she's taking straws out of the "thing" and the nest's entrance.
Later on, she drops the straw. NOT in the nest :(

Video 4
I saw her grinding her beek (while holding a straw) against the cage and the stick she's sitting on. She then dropped it.
Then he was taking straws out of the nest (not the "thing"), and putting them down more carefully (he's "reaching" for the pile, not just drops it, you know).
And the pile of straws is just getting bigger. Is that where they're going to build their nest?!

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:09 pm
by Sally
It looks like they are getting in breeding mode. It doesn't take long for birds to mate, so yours may have been successful already. There is a lot of good information about breeding here:

http://www.finchinfo.com/breeding/index.php

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:39 pm
by RaduPalanga
Sally wrote: It looks like they are getting in breeding mode. It doesn't take long for birds to mate, so yours may have been successful already. There is a lot of good information about breeding here:

http://www.finchinfo.com/breeding/index.php
Thanks for the quick reply!

I've been wanting to read that website, but never seem to get around to do it... I'll do it.

I purchased the "thing" a long time ago (2-3 weeks), and first time I put it in, the male started to pull it apart (take straws out and just drop them off) aggressively, so I took it out. Apparently, they've been wanting to build a nest for a while...?

THIS is how what they've been doing looks now (several hours later). It was different when I left (3 hours ago), so they must have been moving things around. And it seems that they're done; I mean at least they're no longer at it...

I'm worried they're not going into the nest to check it out. So I'll hang some cotton strips on its entrance, just so maybe that will catch their eyes.

I'll go read that website now :)

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:06 pm
by RaduPalanga
Another thing is, Sally, that big nest I bought for them... they never really went in (unless they did it only when I was away, but I doubt it). And the fact that they are now struggling to build their bed somewhere else (that's what they seem to be doing) enhances my belief that they just disregard the nest's existence.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:16 pm
by Sally
I had a nest like that one time, and my finches also did not like it. I think because the opening is so close to the bottom of the nest, they can't build up a nest. Most finches like a deeper nest, so they can build a nice layer in the bottom. Also, an opening so close to the bottom makes it easy for babies to fall out.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:04 pm
by Vera
I originally had one of the smallest wicker nests which two birds fit in comfortably. Then they laid eggs and I thought there were four eggs When mom got off the nest I saw there were six eggs. Once they start hatching and the nest looke dlike it would fall I propped a nest similar to yours underneath it to hold it up. They never did go in it even though all eight of the birds scrunched into that one little nest. Somehow they made it work.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:39 am
by Zebrafincher
Hi there,

Most finches seem to like puttering around with grasses and nest building materials. I have two male Zebbies (in separate cages) both of which regularly build and dissassemble a multitude of nests. They have even been observed STEALING nesting material from eachother. Finches seem to need a fair bit of practise to construct nests. My two are much better with nests now. Give your two a bit of time.

Kind Regards

Zebrafincher

Proud Owner of
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Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:05 am
by RaduPalanga
Sally wrote: I had a nest like that one time, and my finches also did not like it. I think because the opening is so close to the bottom of the nest, they can't build up a nest. Most finches like a deeper nest, so they can build a nice layer in the bottom. Also, an opening so close to the bottom makes it easy for babies to fall out.
Actually, the opening is quite high, measuring from the bottom of the nest - 6 centimeters (2.35 inches). It was the biggest, deepest nest I could find in any petshop around here. Anything deeper than that would be a cardboard box...

Image

Speaking of cardboard boxes... See what I put in there? My girlfriend came up with the idea last night (things you do at 2 in the morning, haha).

The cage has 3 doors. We left one open, and managed to stick the box in there (double sided tape). The box is a rectangle, it goes towards the left, which you can't see it due to the nest. We padded the inside of the box with cotton wadding, and left it there, so the finches can further fill it with straws etc.

So far (12 hours) they don't seem to even care that it's there. They're too busy loving each other.
Vera wrote: I originally had one of the smallest wicker nests which two birds fit in comfortably. Then they laid eggs and I thought there were four eggs When mom got off the nest I saw there were six eggs. Once they start hatching and the nest looke dlike it would fall I propped a nest similar to yours underneath it to hold it up. They never did go in it even though all eight of the birds scrunched into that one little nest. Somehow they made it work.
So you're saying they liked the smaller, crowded nest instead. Interesting. We looked all over the Internet, we couldn't find any pictures of finches staying inside nests like the one I have. Most of them were staying in nests like this, which the petshop employees told us are NOT favored by finches, back when we bought them (6 weeks ago? I forgot).
Zebrafincher wrote: Hi there,

Most finches seem to like puttering around with grasses and nest building materials. I have two male Zebbies (in separate cages) both of which regularly build and dissassemble a multitude of nests. They have even been observed STEALING nesting material from eachother. Finches seem to need a fair bit of practise to construct nests. My two are much better with nests now. Give your two a bit of time.
So all they need is time. Okay. In the meantime, I'll try to get some grass strands for them, so they have more materials to experiment with.

Also (this goes to everyone here), should I rotate the cardboard box so that it will be vertical? Right now, it's horizontal, with the "deep" part to the left, not downward - not sure how else to put it.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:30 pm
by Babs _Owner
RaduPalanga

Hahah I watched the video of her dropping the nesting material reminded me of one of my breeding pairs. The male would drop the coco fiber off the shelf on the floor for days with the female cheering him on like it was cool! Ohh sooo funny.

They are now good parents, but I make the nest for them and they go ahead and breed and do the rest.

Try making the nest for them. ;) Often with the nest premade the male will grab one piece of material and place it on the nest, and the female will act like "wow honey!! You did this all yourself!" :))

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:30 pm
by RaduPalanga
RaduPalanga wrote:
Sally wrote: I had a nest like that one time, and my finches also did not like it. I think because the opening is so close to the bottom of the nest, they can't build up a nest. Most finches like a deeper nest, so they can build a nice layer in the bottom. Also, an opening so close to the bottom makes it easy for babies to fall out.
Actually, the opening is quite high, measuring from the bottom of the nest - 6 centimeters (2.35 inches). It was the biggest, deepest nest I could find in any petshop around here. Anything deeper than that would be a cardboard box...

PICTURE HERE

Speaking of cardboard boxes... See what I put in there? My girlfriend came up with the idea last night (things you do at 2 in the morning, haha).

The cage has 3 doors. We left one open, and managed to stick the box in there (double sided tape). The box is a rectangle, it goes towards the left, which you can't see it due to the nest. We padded the inside of the box with cotton wadding, and left it there, so the finches can further fill it with straws etc.

So far (12 hours) they don't seem to even care that it's there. They're too busy loving each other.
Vera wrote: I originally had one of the smallest wicker nests which two birds fit in comfortably. Then they laid eggs and I thought there were four eggs When mom got off the nest I saw there were six eggs. Once they start hatching and the nest looke dlike it would fall I propped a nest similar to yours underneath it to hold it up. They never did go in it even though all eight of the birds scrunched into that one little nest. Somehow they made it work.
So you're saying they liked the smaller, crowded nest instead. Interesting. We looked all over the Internet, we couldn't find any pictures of finches staying inside nests like the one I have. Most of them were staying in nests like this, which the petshop employees told us are NOT favored by finches, back when we bought them (6 weeks ago? I forgot).
Zebrafincher wrote: Hi there,

Most finches seem to like puttering around with grasses and nest building materials. I have two male Zebbies (in separate cages) both of which regularly build and dissassemble a multitude of nests. They have even been observed STEALING nesting material from eachother. Finches seem to need a fair bit of practise to construct nests. My two are much better with nests now. Give your two a bit of time.
So all they need is time. Okay. In the meantime, I'll try to get some grass strands for them, so they have more materials to experiment with.

Also (this goes to everyone here), should I rotate the cardboard box so that it will be vertical? Right now, it's horizontal, with the "deep" part to the left, not downward - not sure how else to put it.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:33 pm
by RaduPalanga
Babs wrote: Hahah I watched the video of her dropping the nesting material reminded me of one of my breeding pairs. The male would drop the coco fiber off the shelf on the floor for days with the female cheering him on like it was cool! Ohh sooo funny.
Lol!
Babs wrote: They are now good parents, but I make the nest for them and they go ahead and breed and do the rest.

Try making the nest for them. ;) Often with the nest premade the male will grab one piece of material and place it on the nest, and the female will act like "wow honey!! You did this all yourself!" :))
Build the nest for them? You mean pad the cardboard box (I've edited my previous post, the picture should be available now) with sticks & other materials from the "thing" you see hanging from the cage? And add extra grass, of course. Is that it?

Man, I'll be doing all the work, and he'll get the credits for it. :))

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:35 am
by RaduPalanga
Oh my God I thought I was editing the post but in fact I quoted it...

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:19 pm
by RaduPalanga
I cleaned their cage, and did some adjustments.

I rotated the cardboard box so that it is vertical (more depth, I'd say it's big enough now, eh?), added in a twig of sorghum (which only the male seems to be interested in eating from) and two more sticks for them to stand on (this time, they're wooden ones - I've got two more left, but I don't want to make it too crowded in there).

The cardboard box is about 20 centimeters (8 inches) high now. From the bottom upwards, to the opening, it's about 10 centimeters (4 inches) high.

I've made two pictures. Check them out here.

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:02 pm
by Babs _Owner
RaduPalanga

Take some coco fibre and wrap it around your fist, make a bowl shape and stick it in the nest-box-bowl (whatever you choose). Then scatter/throw a few bits on the floor for the male to make his contribution by laying one piece in the already made nest.

She will then inspect it, stomp it down, praise him and give him some love.


Then you have babies. Magic!

note: your cage is too small once the little ones fledge. Make sure you buy a bigger cage for after they wean.

Are they admiring the cardboard box?

Re: She acts "pregnant"? Is trying to build her nest, but...

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 6:43 am
by RaduPalanga
Babs wrote: RaduPalanga

Take some coco fibre and wrap it around your fist, make a bowl shape and stick it in the nest-box-bowl (whatever you choose). Then scatter/throw a few bits on the floor for the male to make his contribution by laying one piece in the already made nest.

She will then inspect it, stomp it down, praise him and give him some love.
I took some of the coco fibre and mashed it with my hands (I can't wrap it around my fist, as I don't have one long coco fibre strand :)) ). Then put it in the box.

Also, I left a few strands hanging, as you can see here (picture).

Note the coco fibre strands & such that are on the floor of the cage. They've been doing that mess since yesterday. And it's right in front of the box (which is like 10-15 centimeters high from the floor of the cage).
Babs wrote: Then you have babies. Magic!

note: your cage is too small once the little ones fledge. Make sure you buy a bigger cage for after they wean.
There's no way I can get a bigger cage. This is the biggest one I could get. I mean I can get bigger ones, but they're just bigger in terms of height... and I can't afford to put a 1 meter tall cage in my room. Nor do I have the money for that, lol.
Babs wrote: Are they admiring the cardboard box?
Sadly, no. The box has been in there for almost two days, and it doesn't look like it's getting any attention.

Here's hoping they'll make the connections : mess on the floor, coco fibre strands hanging from that box...

But there's no way I can get a bigger cage :(

Perhaps I could find someone who can custom build cages. But I doubt that. The only types of custom cages I could find are the kind that's for pidgeons and such, you know... which are way too heavy / big.