Society finches, only 1 egg?

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Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by SidneyDR » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:49 pm

Hi everyone!
I'm new here. I'm 24 years old and I have an aviary that is 3 meters long and 1,20 meter width.
I have a pair of society finches, 2 female zebra finches, a pair of goldfinches and a pair of siskins.
Now the society finches have build a nest and laid their first egg on the 5th of march. I thought they would lay more but it stayed just the one.
They are sitting on the egg and I take a picture of it everyday, I noticed the egg is changing a bit every day, it seems to turn more red each day. I am adding a picture I took of the egg today (flash was on). Is it normal that they only have one egg? I don't want to pick up the egg yet, as the nest is hanging a bit high and i don't want to risk damaging the egg or causing stress for my finches :?

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Icearstorm » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:06 pm

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No, one egg is not normal, but not unheard of either. Are your birds young (under six months) or old (over 4 or 5)? If so, the female could be less fertile and therefore wouldn't lay many eggs. I can't quite tell from the picture, but if that white area is all air, it probably will not develop normally. On the other hand, if the white area of the shell is the fully-calcified section, then it looks as if the female needs more calcium or is having a hard time absorbing it. In this case, the eggs could be thinner than normal, resulting in breakage. The broken eggs would most likely be eaten of deposited outside the nest. Just because you aren't seeing any signs of broken eggs doesn't mean it didn't happen; I had a society finch that I discovered was eating the eggs without leaving any trace of shell, yolk, or albumen on the nesting material. I'd leave the egg alone if I were you, and wait to see what happens.

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by lovezebs » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:18 pm

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Hello, and welcome to the Forum from Canada.

To answer your question: usually Socies will lay more than one egg, however there are cases of singletons.

Here is a link about eggs which you may find interesting (eventhough it speaks of Gouldian finches).

https://ladygouldian.com/content/determ ... ten-reeves
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Sojourner » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:32 pm

Icearstorm wrote: ... Just because you aren't seeing any signs of broken eggs doesn't mean it didn't happen; I had a society finch that I discovered was eating the eggs without leaving any trace of shell, yolk, or albumen on the nesting material.
My first pair - who turned out to both be female so there was no chance those eggs were going to hatch - were sitting on 3 eggs. I didn't know they were duds at the time, thought I had one of each gender. One day I got up and they were flying around the cage all upset as if something had frightened them. When I checked the nest, not only were all 3 eggs gone, so was ALL the nesting material!

I swear it was like some ghostly hand had emptied the nest. In reality they HAD to have eaten the eggs - no vermin here! But they left nary a trace. They were dud eggs so maybe they were also pretty dried up by the time they gave up and ate them, but you couldn't tell there'd ever been a single egg. Not a crumb was left.
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by SidneyDR » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:38 pm

I found out what probably happened. I had another nest that has never been used, at least I thought. :(
I noticed today that it was turned to the wall of the aviary a bit, causing the opening to be too small for the birds to fit, and a feeling of dread came over me and I looked in the nest, there they were 3 perfect little eggs. :((
I feel horrible for not having thought about it earlier :(

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by lovezebs » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:08 am

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Bad gremlins, bad BAD gremlins, lol.

I remember when you wrote about it quite a while ago :lol:

So did you ever figure out what happened to the nesting materials??? :shock:
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by lovezebs » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:09 am

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So sorry about that.

Any idea how long those eggs were sitting in there?
Sometimes egg can remain good for quite a while if no one had begun to incubate them.
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by haroun » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:30 am

Ok this morning. The last hatch society chick gone. And a few minutes ago i lost a zebra hen she escaped she lzft rhe cok with his 6eggs :mrgreen:
So such as things can happening so don't worry about

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Sojourner » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:47 am

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Sidney - not your fault if the little buggers laid eggs and then didn't bother to sit them. However in future it might be best to remove anything nest-like - this probably won't stop all egg laying but it ought to cut it way way down.

If your hen gets into a cycle where nothing you do seems to put an end to the egg laying, you can remove the eggs as they are laid to be replaced by a fake egg. Then they will sit the fake eggs for a few weeks until they eventually abandon the nest.

Just be sure you already have the fake eggs on hand before you put the nest in! GlamGouldians has some and they're pretty cheap but you do have to spend $30 minimum on an order there.

Canary fake eggs won't do, they are too large. I saw a place - Finch Connection I think it was - where they offered the same fake eggs for both finches and canaries. That isn't going to work for one or the other, LOL! Or maybe both if they're some odd in-between size.

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As for the mysteriously disappearing nesting materials - I am still not sure what happened there, except that maybe there was less nesting material in the nest than I thought. There was some in the cage and some of it slipped under the liner on the cage bottom, but it didn't SEEM like enough to cover what was already in the cage because I'd put it there for them to make up the nest, and what I had poked into the nest myself.

At this point I'm almost positive my guys are sitting on duds. I'm pretty sure its been at least 3 weeks since I put the D-cup back in the cage for them to use as a nest, intending to get some fake eggs (which didn't happen, see why I say to make sure you have them on hand? LOL!) Maybe even 4. Its hard for me to tell how long its been since I've been in one of my drifty spells where time has no meaning for me. Which is how they ended up sitting their eggs while time passed me by and I DIDN'T get the fake eggs. But I'm pretty sure its been long enough by now that they should have already hatched.

I'm hoping this batch are dud eggs, they'd almost have to be I'm pretty sure. Which, of course, doubtless means I'll be hearing little peeping noises any day now, just to upset the apple cart. But I can tell my guys are not as happy as they could be. They're anxious when they're in the nest and they're not much less anxious when they're out of the nest. One is sitting at all times and this has been going on for weeks now. Neither one is touching the egg food any more though otherwise their appetites seem normal, but they are so quiet now. Bambi gave me a few half-hearted warbles yesterday but Pyewacket doesn't peep at all any more. Of course some of that behavior is doubtless a survival tactic to not draw attention to the nest, but still.

The whole breeding process is both physically and emotionally stressful for your birds. First there's the actual egg laying, which is hard on your hen to start with. Then there's all that sitting of the nest by everybody in the cage. And then there's the stress of feeding and raising any surviving chicks.

And THEN you have to cage the offspring separately from their parents and (preferably) also from each other, or sell or give them away, or at the very least separate all the males from the females, to prevent indiscriminate inbreeding, which will result in more unwanted eggs, nestlings, deaths in the egg and rejected chicks and chicks that don't survive because of the inbreeding. Or (which can be even worse) they survive for at least a time in a crippled state.

Breeding is fine if you INTEND to breed for a purpose and already have a method of rehoming the offspring and keeping related pairs from producing offspring. But not so great when things barrel along by accident. This is the SECOND time I've had a nesting situation that I really didn't want. I hope to high heaven it is the last. But at least Pye has stopped laying more eggs for the time being. Which is evidence to me that there is wisdom in keeping fake eggs on hand.

If only I were as wise beforehand as I am in hindsight, LOL!
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Icearstorm » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:58 am

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If you happen to have any plain clay on hand, it's pretty easy to make some convincing fake eggs. When I had three related birds, I used air-dry clay and made ten fake eggs, replacing each one laid with two fake ones. Both of the females stopped laying within a few days and sat for a month. The only problem with the air-dry clay is that it isn't waterproof. It isn't much of an issue, but perhaps a thin coat of Polycrylic could work after a week or so of curing. (Polycrylic is a carcinogen when applied, so a longer curing time may be recommended.)

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Sojourner » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:12 am

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I'm a potter. I have TONS of clay on hand, LOL! Well not tons, but I have it. I could even fire and glaze them.

But I'll probably just get the fake eggs. It's too late now as they've been sitting long enough that those eggs are either going to hatch soon or they're duds. I'm way to squeamish to toss eggs once its a sure thing that they've had time to develop.
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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Icearstorm » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:45 pm

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What are the chances of that? :D

Same here; I feel that it's somewhat cruel to remove eggs that may be just a few days until hatching, unless the pair has hatched a high percentage of chicks with severe disabilities/ genetic abnormalities that give them no life quality (ex. severe and persistent feather cysts, missing legs, etc).
I felt kind of bad for removing my birds' second clutch (first wanted breeding attempt) after 16 days. The eggs I removed were underdeveloped when I candled them, but I later learned that one of my females was an egg-eater (now separated from the breeding group) and may have been eating the eggs as the others layed more, so many of them may have only been a few days old. Fortunately it didn't seem like any of the eggs I tossed had gotten very far in development, but I would have preferred to have babies by now.

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by SidneyDR » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:45 am

Update: Today I checked the nest were I found the good egg and..
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Now there are three eggs :? :?:

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by Icearstorm » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:44 am

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Yay! Now you can expect some babies in a couple of weeks :)

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Re: Society finches, only 1 egg?

Post by SidneyDR » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:38 am

Icearstorm wrote: SidneyDR
Yay! Now you can expect some babies in a couple of weeks :)
I hope so. The mother seems to like me since I helped her out once. :) My goldfinches seem to be starting their nests as well I noticed.

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