The Magic red and The Red American Singer Canary

[Cath1068]

Q, this is the (first)time that I have seen a red factor with deep red feet
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I was also wondering this too. Why do you suppose it turns the legs and feet red ? I would like to show my red factors at some point do you guys think this will get me disqualified ? All the reds I see have normal colored legs. I am very curious..... LOL

[cindy]

I kept wonder how something would go through gloves and actually dye your skin....it had to be some kind of pigmented dye, but you claim everything you use is natural, it is a secret.

Just curious Dean you using Cochineal or carmine derived from the carcasses of South and Central America insect called the Dactylopius coccus (females). You can by the buy it by the gram, it recently was approved by the FDA.

You recently mentioned that your ingredient was recently approved by the FDA in a past post.

Dactylopius coccus was used as a red dye by the Aztecs and Mexicans. It is used in cosmetics, food, gelatins.

How it is done and used:
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/bugjuice.asp
2 PDF files at the bottom FDA.

[CandoAviary]

Lots of natural stuff will stain you skin... right through your clothes.. I remember as a child, my brother and I took a bunch of black walnuts from our yard and soaked them in buckets of water to make a staing for our playhouse... we manage to dye ourselves a nice walnut brown shade... Mother was so mad... it did not wash off.. it just had to wear and sluff off

Deans secret product (I have inside information) is one of the most well thought out and prepared colorants.. these ingredients are so safe and make the birds not only beautiful red but healthy
If you read Deans site he states whats in his MAGIC RED...
I hope people don't get confused by Cindy's post and think it contains these bugs. Dean processes his ingredients. Here is the site Cindy reffered to by Dean... he even states here what he used.. and that it was approved... HIS CREATION APPROVED... not Cindy's bug thingy .... that was someone elsed creation. Please don't be confused by this.
http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php ... 0&start=30

[cindy]

Candace on his site I was able to find the section abould cherries and such....he also stated in a past topic thread that one of the ingredients was recently approved by the FDA

his site
Magic red made of dried dark red fruits & Vegetable such as Cherry & sweet red pepper, grounded to powder for easy mixing.

If these are the ONLY ingredients than what was recently approved by the FDA

your quote:
Deans secret product (I have inside information) is one of the most well thought out and prepared colorants.. these ingredients are so safe and make the birds not only beautiful red but healthy

Why all the mystery? And if someone want to feed this to their birds and show the birds will they be disqualified?

[purplejasminevn]

Lots of natural stuff will stain you skin... right through your clothes.. I remember as a child, my brother and I took a bunch of black walnuts from our yard and soaked them in buckets of water to make a staing for our playhouse... we manage to dye ourselves a nice walnut brown shade... Mother was so mad... it did not wash off.. it just had to wear and sluff off

Deans secret product (I have inside information) is one of the most well thought out and prepared colorants.. these ingredients are so safe and make the birds not only beautiful red but healthy
If you read Deans site he states whats in his MAGIC RED...
I hope people don't get confused by Cindy's post and think it contains these bugs. Dean processes his ingredients. Here is the site Cindy reffered to by Dean... he even states here what he used.. and that it was approved... HIS CREATION APPROVED... not Cindy's bug thingy .... that was someone elsed creation. Please don't be confused by this.
http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php ... 0&start=30

Thanks for pointing that out- I am definitely not confused- There is no way this bug thingy in the Magic red - I have inside info as well as where the name comes from .
Let’s Dean explains and hopefully people will get the whole big pictures of it.
P/s: not thing wrong with bugs as well - because finches/ birds eat bugs - bugs are natural ( unless the human raise them ) - but Magic red has no bugs at all -

[purplejasminevn]

Candace on his site I was able to find the section abould cherries and such....he also stated in a past topic thread that one of the ingredients was recently approved by the FDA

his site
Magic red made of dried dark red fruits & Vegetable such as Cherry & sweet red pepper, grounded to powder for easy mixing.

If these are the ONLY ingredients than what was recently approved by the FDA

your quote:
Deans secret product (I have inside information) is one of the most well thought out and prepared colorants.. these ingredients are so safe and make the birds not only beautiful red but healthy

Why all the mystery? And if someone want to feed this to their birds and show the birds will they be disqualified?

Good questions Cindy,
Let Dean talks - Hopefully He will soon.
With the showing - it is a whole different story.
Anyway, Just like when we go to the top notch restaurants - there are many cooks will not be opened up with you about their secrets
Maybe Dean can ...

[CandoAviary]

Cindy, in my above post is the link to his statement about the color being approved.. HIS color... That is a big jump to go from what Dean Created and had approved and what may have been approved by the FDA by someone else.
Maybe best if you just ask Dean first instead of speculating.

Not every product list the ratios and exact types of fruits... these details kept secret is so noone copies it. They can try but they won't be able to duplicate it accurately.
A great example was Cathy's product Herb Salad. She listed ingredients but not the exact amounts.
Many are now trying to copy her product... many use imported herbs that are not approved in this country... many countries still use dangerous products like DTD on their plants.
Herb Salad is from all organically grown product.

American singers are in the shows for judgement of song... not color. They would not be disqualified unless they couldn't sing

[cindy]

A complete list if the ingredients would be helpful especially for those thinking of using it.

The use of Dactylopius coccus has been used for 100's of yrs in for dying, recently approved for use in foods. Starbucks uses this in some of their frappes!! The female Dactylopius coccus is emersed in hot water, dried and ground.

Totally natural.

Also if a pair has raised young and not fed magic red, then switched to magic red, hatch a new clutch and the babies look bloody red.... feet and all does this intefer with the parents being able to recognize the begging/mouth gape of young hatchlings since they are so dark especially if the parents also raised a clutch prior without the Mred formula.

If this is coloring the skin, it must also/or does it color the mucus membranes and internal organs?

[kathmcm]

Thanks for pointing that out- I am definitely not confused- There is no way this bug thingy in the Magic red - I have inside info as well as where the name comes from .
Let’s Dean explains and hopefully people will get the whole big pictures of it.
P/s: not thing wrong with bugs as well - because finches/ birds eat bugs - bugs are natural ( unless the human raise them ) - but Magic red has no bugs at all -

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Q, the bug thingy is an interesting topic. Did you hear recently that people were freaked out to learn that their Starbucks had ground up bugs in it? That's carmine, made of ground cochineal insects originally from Mexico. Approved for food coloring, used from time of Aztecs. It's very commonly used to color pink or red candy, soft drinks, ice cream, etc etc.

Thing is, people want to buy food labelled "no artificial color or flavor". So instead of using synthetic red dye they use carmine. Then someone sees carmine on a Starbucks label, googles it and it hits the news: "Starbucks colors its drinks with ground up bugs! "



We've all eaten lots of ground up bugs I'm sure. Nothing inherently bad about eating bugs, just an intense cultural bias against it.

[cindy]

Kathmcm...as I mentioned earilier Starbucks is using it in the Strawberry & Creme Frappe!!! Yum!!!!

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/bugjuice.asp

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php ... &hilit=fda

quote from Dean "... so wish me a good luck to keep going and hopping to discover new things to keep us and our birds happier . The color has been approved by the FDA and showing that has Zero chemical in it also Zero hot red pepper that can be harsh on the canary Kidney and digestive system . Thanks for reading ..."

Candace, you need to read what I am say/asking more carefully.

[DanteD716]

I am confused by this. I thought you are not supposed to colorfeed canaries? I was always taugjt that you breed for the strong color, and that they are red because of genetics.

[purplejasminevn]

Thanks for pointing that out- I am definitely not confused- There is no way this bug thingy in the Magic red - I have inside info as well as where the name comes from .
Let’s Dean explains and hopefully people will get the whole big pictures of it.
P/s: not thing wrong with bugs as well - because finches/ birds eat bugs - bugs are natural ( unless the human raise them ) - but Magic red has no bugs at all -

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Q

Q, the bug thingy is an interesting topic. Did you hear recently that people were freaked out to learn that their Starbucks had ground up bugs in it? That's carmine, made of ground cochineal insects originally from Mexico. Approved for food coloring, used from time of Aztecs. It's very commonly used to color pink or red candy, soft drinks, ice cream, etc etc.

Thing is, people want to buy food labelled "no artificial color or flavor". So instead of using synthetic red dye they use carmine. Then someone sees carmine on a Starbucks label, googles it and it hits the news: "Starbucks colors its drinks with ground up bugs! "



We've all eaten lots of ground up bugs I'm sure. Nothing inherently bad about eating bugs, just an intense cultural bias against it.

You are absolutely right – That is why I said there is nothing wrong with bugs – certain bugs – but I also know there is no BUG thingy in Magic Red.
There are people around the world eats bugs and believe in bugs. I am sure lots of us have eaten them in just different formula like you said people freak out once they heard.
I can go for chapters in regarding bugs – but this post is for Magic red from Dean and I rather wanted him to let us know himself.
Good chatting guys

[kathmcm]

Kathmcm...as I mentioned earilier Starbucks is using it in the Strawberry & Creme Frappe!!! Yum!!!!

Sorry, I missed your earlier mention of this fact, it was unintentional.

[cindy]

Not to worry but when standing in front of the Starbucks' menu we can have a good chuckle!

[kathmcm]

You are absolutely right – That is why I said there is nothing wrong with bugs – certain bugs – but I also know there is no BUG thingy in Magic Red.
There are people around the world eats bugs and believe in bugs. I am sure lots of us have eaten them in just different formula like you said people freak out once they heard.
I can go for chapters in regarding bugs – but this post is for Magic red from Dean and I rather wanted him to let us know himself.
Good chatting guys

I didn't mean to hijack your thread, it was just meant as an interesting (I thought) side issue. Sorry about that.

All getting too contentious for me, I just like to come here as a brief diversion from work and last thing I want is to butt in.