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Post by purplejasminevn » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:48 pm

CandoAviary wrote:My biggest goal in the bird world is educating bird owners...the reason I do it comes from my passion of birds/animals.
I agree with Sally, It really comes down to research... and I must add, establishing a relationship with the vendor...whether on line, bird fair, pet store, or small hobby breeder in sales. I have known vendors that know nothing about the birds they sell, I have known small hobby breeders that have had birds dropping like flies, I have had healthy birds shipped that got delayed/chilled and developed problems after arrival....
I myself do not ship but may in the future and even though I personally may have 400 birds available for sale does not mean they aren't healthy... on the contrary, I would stack my birds health against any breeder out there :D If breeders had the facilities, time, and desire they may would end up producing lots of chicks also, possibly even developing a business that has monetary rewards besides the reward of being surrounded by birds and bird lovers :D If that means reducing the price to sell them so be it... as long as they are going to good homes. Having large number of stock with quanity pricing discounts does not equate to a bad thing. I just picked up 27 canaries yesterday at the airport and am thrilled. Not just because of the quality of birds but because of the relationship I have with the breeder.... and this breeder has hundreds of birds, results of healthy birds and a knowledgable breeder :wink: I also consider this breeder a great friend. Many small breeders get frustrated because large output lowers the price of the market price making it harder to get the high prices that some finches use to command. Don't get caught up in a few being offered is better than a lot being offered...all depends on the breeder, amount of birds they own, facitity and the time they dedicate to them. It is all about supply and demand, if there are a lot of a species then of course the prices drop and vice versa, strawberries are an excellent example... few available so prices extremely high. I happen to like the gouldians and enjoy them tremendously... just happens that there are many to buy from but I think that is all the more reason to breed super quality birds :wink: I do like building a relationship with the buyers of my birds, that is why I opened the store, join forums, give access to me so that I may answer questions and offer help anyway I can. I have no problems offering birds at a discount if they are going to the right kind of home. I am leary of the people that contact me about buying birds yet have no desire to build a relationship, they don't ask what I feed, what temperatures I keep them at, if I offer mineral grit, natural or artificial lighting ??? Why would I want to send my birds to someone that doesn't even ask about the bird's life? Nor do they ever ask for recommendations. I have had birds shipped in only 4 times and from each of these vendors I asked many questions and the sellers always answered everyone of them to my satisfation. Also everyone of them furnished me with people who bought their birds so that I could contact, which I did! To me the biggest part of animal ownership is responsible ownership. I believe there are more bad buyers out there than bad sellers... bad buyers keep these bad vendors/brokers/breeders in business... blatant but true .
As Cindy pointed out, there are many scam artist out there. Unfortunately scams seem to be in every business out there... so this means the buyers need to be even more vigilant than ever in securing the best purchases. It is nice to hear peoples opinions on vendors but remember that is what it is, opinion. Nothing is better than establishing an ongoing relationship with your sellers, whether it's the breeder next door or a vendor across the country. If I can't develope an ongoing, honest friendship with my suppliers/buyers... then I don't continue to buy nor sell to them. Also, if I have a problem, I have established the avenues to talk openly with the seller about my problems and I might would share the problem publically but never naming the names.
Q, I hate to read that you have had such a loss. I do not know this vendor but seems he's not very popular here. Sounds like he's been around for a while. Hopefully new finch keepers/buyers will take the time to get to know buyers better. Also I hope that buyers will take what they hear, or read from people's opinions with a grain of salt... sometimes vendors will cut others just for cut throat competion. That is why it is so important for each buyer to build that relationship between buyer and seller.
On another note, I personally have had a great relationship with a vendor that I have seen trashed here in this forum. I still have a good relationship and have received nothing but healthy birds. I don't doubt that others have had problems but I also realized that they were shipped further, during the summer molt, and went into places that had had other bird dying even before those birds arrived ... I also have received terribly sick birds come from a seller that many sing praises about (although I bought birds that were not bred by but were brokered through) so you will always have different opinions and there will always be different outcomes when it comes to living creatures... they aren't like shipping a non living commodity across the country. Sometimes, due to a lot of factors... _hit happens... at some time or another. :? Unfortunatly.

Very well said - Candace. Thank you for sharing the thoughts.
I am waiting to see some of your canaries photos from Dean :)
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Post by tovis » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:56 pm

We just got our Gouldians from Alex, the Male looks great, the female is enjoying a nice sleep and in a molt. Both birds look fine so far, they are preening after a nice little bath.
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Post by purplejasminevn » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:45 pm

tovis wrote:We just got our Gouldians from Alex, the Male looks great, the female is enjoying a nice sleep and in a molt. Both birds look fine so far, they are preening after a nice little bath.

Good to hear - With my Best -Any photos soon?
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Post by tovis » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:50 pm

He just started his mating song, very beautiful song. Its strange too, almost like our Zebras and Orange cheeks quiet down when he sings. Its a soothing almost relaxing melody.
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Post by purplejasminevn » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:29 pm

tovis wrote:He just started his mating song, very beautiful song. Its strange too, almost like our Zebras and Orange cheeks quiet down when he sings. Its a soothing almost relaxing melody.
Very nice... keep an eye on his breathing at night. He looks much better than all my birds....
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Post by nixity » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:54 am

Does he always hold his wings like that? That's not normal.. :?

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Post by tovis » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:18 pm

No, that was taken shortly after spraying them with some moulting spray and water. The guy that I purchased them with told me that the position of the wings at stance can indicate sickness. Now they are up and look normal, both birds hop and fly around. They want to play with the Orange Cheeks, but the orange cheeks are a little skiddish.

What did yours look like - do you have any photos?
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Post by tovis » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:20 pm

purplejasminevn wrote:
tovis wrote:He just started his mating song, very beautiful song. Its strange too, almost like our Zebras and Orange cheeks quiet down when he sings. Its a soothing almost relaxing melody.
Very nice... keep an eye on his breathing at night. He looks much better than all my birds....
Does breathing sometimes change at night?
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Post by wellingtoncdm » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:24 pm

What is molting spray??

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Post by purplejasminevn » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:25 pm

tovis wrote:
purplejasminevn wrote:
tovis wrote:He just started his mating song, very beautiful song. Its strange too, almost like our Zebras and Orange cheeks quiet down when he sings. Its a soothing almost relaxing melody.
Very nice... keep an eye on his breathing at night. He looks much better than all my birds....
Does breathing sometimes change at night?
They said if they are sick.... they’re breathing harder and the tail is bobbing. I really hope you got the best and they are healthy.
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Post by tovis » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:56 am

Well, our female did not make it - I just found her upside down in the water bath this morning.
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Post by purplejasminevn » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:58 am

tovis wrote:Well, our female did not make it - I just found her upside down in the water bath this morning.
I am very sorry for your loss. I would go ahead with plan B As you planed. This guy know his birds sick but he sales them anyway ...
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Post by tovis » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:16 am

True. Where is a reputable place I can get a female, any ideas? My male is probably going to get lonely.
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