Getting crazy Gouldian babies :-O

[shadow364]

How are you able to tell the gender of the babies when their colors havent fully come in?

Totally adorable gouldians by the way

[nixity]

How are you able to tell the gender of the babies when their colors havent fully come in?

Certain mutations or certain colors produced in particular pairings can also dictate sex, so if you're able to accurately identify the mutation in the nest you can also immediately dictate the sex in those cases, as well.

For instance - a Dilute (SF Pastel Green, Purple Breasted) Male paired to a Purple Breasted Normal Hen (assuming no split breast colors) would produce the following:

Normal Males and Females
Dilute Males
Yellow Hens

So immediately, any yellows in the nest you would know are female, and since Dilutes by definition are always male, you know the sex of the Dilutes by default.

If in this pairing you produced a yellow bird that had a darker head or dark beak, you would know definitively not only are both birds carrying either white or lilac breast, but that the baby is a white or lilac breast SF Yellow, and that it is male.

So in this case with Donna's bird - because the head and beak are dark and we know (I know, other people might still be speculative but I am confident beyond doubt) the bird is Silver, we also now know it to be male, and that it is SF Pastel Blue, not DF.

If it was a DF Pastel Blue the beak would be pink, not dark.

[bugaboo5]

How are you able to tell the gender of the babies when their colors havent fully come in?

Certain mutations or certain colors produced in particular pairings can also dictate sex, so if you're able to accurately identify the mutation in the nest you can also immediately dictate the sex in those cases, as well.

For instance - a Dilute (SF Pastel Green, Purple Breasted) Male paired to a Purple Breasted Normal Hen (assuming no split breast colors) would produce the following:

Normal Males and Females
Dilute Males
Yellow Hens

So immediately, any yellows in the nest you would know are female, and since Dilutes by definition are always male, you know the sex of the Dilutes by default.

If in this pairing you produced a yellow bird that had a darker head or dark beak, you would know definitively not only are both birds carrying either white or lilac breast, but that the baby is a white or lilac breast SF Yellow, and that it is male.

So in this case with Donna's bird - because the head and beak are dark and we know (I know, other people might still be speculative but I am confident beyond doubt) the bird is Silver, we also now know it to be male, and that it is SF Pastel Blue, not DF.

If it was a DF Pastel Blue the beak would be pink, not dark.

Hahaha, I think you did an amazing job at explaining genetics to Shadow364's question but you did so in reference to Dfcauley's thead (http://finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21215) and not this thread, which was in reference BaceyBoop's babies (now adults).

[nixity]

LOL!!

Woops!!
I got the email update and never really pay a lot of attention to the thread topics so when I saw this email come in with the question regarding sex I just assumed this was Donna's thread.
So sorry!!

Thank you for linking to the thread I thought I was replying to.
Boy do I feel like a goofball.

[Sally]

It's easy to get mixed up, these days there are sometimes multiple threads going about similar problems or questions--hard to keep them all straight!

[dfcauley]

Well Sybill aren't you on the ball??? Are you back from your trip? I need to send you a Pm.....

[kheather]

Very pretty. I got a black headed dilute out of one of my clutches, beautiful !!!