blue head gouldian???

bernd76287 · Post by **bernd76287** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:25 pm

CandoAviary wrote:Wow bernd, He is very unique and striking. The bright green and then the blue/sea green? .. just beautiful!.... very interesting genes you have going on over there
Have you experienced any of the Blue heads on your single factor black heads?

Years ago I had BH pastel green cock with bluish black-grey on the head but I don't experienced with this bird. Yes I am "collecting" birds with abnormal color. Whenever I see such an example I try to buy. This is my interest and I love to experience with this birds.
I will show you this YH Cock with a dirty yellow head color. Perhaps you can see the difference in the head color. I took some head feathers. As you can see they are different and to me the length is also not the same. Now I gave this cock a BH silver female in order to see what happens.

lea · Post by **lea** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:48 am

oh, my, what a beautiful birds

CandoAviary · Post by **CandoAviary** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:32 am

That banded head feather is very different from anything I have ever seen. Reminds me of the variations in the fusion line feathers of the breast, but with black instead. Very intering birds you have there

MLaRue · Post by **MLaRue** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:44 pm

Wow! Candace your RH male is very striking!!

Very handsome and ready for the show bench! ;)

Bernd that picture of your bird on page 3... what color is that birds head? It doesn't look orange or red?! But something in between and a gorgeous color!!!

nixity · Post by **nixity** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:10 pm

MLaRue wrote:Wow! Candace your RH male is very striking!! Very handsome and ready for the show bench! ;)

Bernd that picture of your bird on page 3... what color is that birds head? It doesn't look orange or red?! But something in between and a gorgeous color!!!

reminds me of the "tangerine" heads, right??

bernd76287 · Post by **bernd76287** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:47 pm

MLaRue wrote: Bernd that picture of your bird on page 3... what color is that birds head? It doesn't look orange or red?! But something in between and a gorgeous color!!!

The bird is a RH.
But the red color is reduced, some people call such birds seagreen. Till now I never heard from a seagreen whose color substayned and is inheritable. Nevertheless I will pair this bird and see!!!!???

Bernd

CandoAviary · Post by **CandoAviary** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:52 pm

What Tiffany was referring to is a Red head bird with reduced coloring, but with a red tip beak. Some call these Tanagerine heads in this country. I have one, it is the bird in the center... Maybe I need to pluck some head feathers and see it they are his dark halfway up like yours...
Look at this redhead fellow between two yellow heaqds, with yellow tipped beaks. I think he is beautiful. I paired him with a RH WB YB hen last breeding season and got dark red heads, not the tangerines. Maybe this fall I will set him up with a different hen.

Also here is a site on one of the only people that I know of that has the lutinos breeding and she has psoted these "tangerine heads"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11859828@N05/1215329121/

bernd76287 · Post by **bernd76287** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:33 pm

CandoAviary wrote:What Tiffany was referring to is a Red head bird with reduced coloring, but with a red tip beak. Some call these Tanagerine heads in this country. I have one, it is the bird in the center... Maybe I need to pluck some head feathers and see it they are his dark halfway up like yours...
Look at this redhead fellow between two yellow heaqds, with yellow tipped beaks. I think he is beautiful. I paired him with a RH WB YB hen last breeding season and got dark red heads, not the tangerines. Maybe this fall I will set him up with a different hen.
[ http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu184/CandoAviary/Gouldian%20Finch/Family046.jpg ]
Also here is a site on one of the only people that I know of that has the lutinos breeding and she has psoted these "tangerine heads"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11859828@N05/1215329121/

Very interesting. Never heard before!?
Thank you for your information. Do you know something about the inheritance?
By the way the YH bird above is another one and has an abnormal dark yellow(=orange) color.
I think there are some not recognized mutations / modifications under our goulds!!

CandoAviary · Post by **CandoAviary** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:16 pm

Bernd, I seem to get a lot of odd balls in my bunch but the three that are pictured above were swapped at a bird fair... I found them different and unusual but the broker couldn't tell me much , actually nothing on the background genetics... thought I would figure it out... but haven't....
I just really am intrigued by the slight differences in these mutations, but am just a new student in genetics... that's wht I am always asking Tiffany... she has much knowledge in genetics

bernd76287 · Post by **bernd76287** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:57 pm

CandoAviary wrote:Bernd, I seem to get a lot of odd balls in my bunch but the three that are pictured above were swapped at a bird fair... I found them different and unusual but the broker couldn't tell me much , actually nothing on the background genetics... thought I would figure it out... but haven't....
I just really am intrigued by the slight differences in these mutations, but am just a new student in genetics... that's wht I am always asking Tiffany... she has much knowledge in genetics

Perhaps Tiffany knows anything!??
Here a picture of the brothers. The belly has a normal dark yellow color.
If this variation is inheritable you could get OH with light orange color?????
Would be interesting!

nixity · Post by **nixity** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:09 pm

I don't have any answers for you

There are plenty of mysteries out there still when it comes to modifications and genetics in Gouldians.. What were the parents of the two brothers? Did they both have this similar colored head? What about the daughters produced (if any)? Have these brothers been bred before?

It's interesting to me actually, because from this picture the male on the right seems to have a belly color more characteristic of the Seagreens I've seen than a normal bird.

CandoAviary · Post by **CandoAviary** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:22 pm

MLaRue wrote:Wow! Candace your RH male is very striking!! Very handsome and ready for the show bench! ;)

Thanks Misty, That's why I said, even if he losses his blue sheen to his back, he's still a keeper

He is 8 months old, born Dec. 31

nixity · Post by **nixity** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:29 pm

I found this incredibly interesting, that the predominant melanin pigment present responsible for blue eyes is eumelanin, the same in feathers resulting in the blue color; also, that the color has to do with the inner layer (like a box cell!!):

"Blue eyes contain low amounts of melanin within the iris stroma; longer wavelengths of light tend to be absorbed by the underlying iris pigment epithelium, and shorter wavelengths are reflected and undergo Rayleigh scattering.[7] The type of melanin present is eumelanin.[26] The outer surface of the iris of a blue-eyed person is clear, lacking the outer layer of pigmentation that is found in brown eyes. Their color is caused by the inner layer of pigmentation and the semi-opaque fibrous tissues that lie between the two layers.[27]"

bernd76287 · Post by **bernd76287** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:46 pm

nixity wrote:I don't have any answers for you There are plenty of mysteries out there still when it comes to modifications and genetics in Gouldians.. What were the parents of the two brothers? Did they both have this similar colored head? What about the daughters produced (if any)? Have these brothers been bred before?

It's interesting to me actually, because from this picture the male on the right seems to have a belly color more characteristic of the Seagreens I've seen than a normal bird.

My birds still got sleeping!
I cant check the ring! I will do this tomorrow or the day after to see where they come from. These are young birds first molting. I must look for the color of the parents and if there are sisters too. The head color is the same and the belly color of both is like normal Goulds have.

Bernd

CandoAviary · Post by **CandoAviary** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:10 pm

Interesting about the blue eyes

You know the sky isn't really blue...it just looks blue due to the light reflecting and how we perceive it

Same with bodies of waters, ice glaciers, fog... all depends on the lighting...
Seems in all of nature blue is only possible with light

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