Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

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Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by Tolly_Paikea » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:35 pm

I'd love to learn more about Zebra finch colorings and genetics and mutations. :D

please enlighten me?
I don't know anything about them really, and I'd really enjoy seeing pictures too! :)
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Re: Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by nelloyello11 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:12 pm

I highly recommend Garrie Landry's site:
http://www.zebrafinch.com/NewZebra/Zebra.html

I have some other very helpful links bookmarked, but not on this computer. I will post them when I am on my ipad next time.
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Re: Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by DanteD716 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:18 pm

Here all the mutations and where they belong, I'd check out efinch.com also: http://zebracrazy.byethost13.com/AllMut.htm nice little drawings, and pied is very hard to get rid of and ruins some colors, like your little pied hen. There are too many to talk about, Florida Fancy takes away the black of the bird, leaving you with a white bird with the orange marking still, Florida Silvers or single factor florida fancies come out silver like my female. Just some examples. Check out the link, also, here is efinch: http://efinch.com/
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Re: Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by cindy » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:21 pm

http://www.efinch.com/varieties.htm

click on the mutations and they also give you multiple oombinations.

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Post by DanteD716 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:28 pm

I have to give credits to Cindy, she taught me most of what I know concerning genetics, especially FF.
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Post by cindy » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:57 pm

Why thank you sir!!!

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Post by Ameza » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:15 am

I recommend reading the sites that the other posted :)

But the base is understaning the differences between recessive mutations, dominant mutations and sex linked mutations.

Recessive: Black cheek, black breasted, floridan fancy, isabel, orange breasted, penguin, pied, white (and some more)

Dominant: Black face, fawn cheek, dominant silver, creasted.

Sex linked: Chestnut flanked white, fawn, lightback.

So, when you have recessive mutations both parents need to have the gene. Let's take an example with black cheek.
Black cheek x black cheek = around 100% black cheek chicks
black cheek x split black cheek = around 50% black cheek chicks
split bc x split bc = around 25% black cheek chicks
black cheek x normal grey = all split to bc but no fully black cheek

Split is when the bird carried the colour gene but does not show the colour. Some mutations show some hints but others hide them completly.

When you have dominant mutations you only need one parent with the colour to pass it on to offspring :)

Sex linked is where it get's tricky. I'll write down what I remember. Let's take chestnut flanked white (cfw) for example.
male cfw x female cfw = cfw chicks :D
male cfw x normal female = cfw female chicks and split males
normal male x cfw female = split males and normal females

Can't remember the splits, but basicly it's best to have the male in the desired colour, then you can at least get some girls like that :)

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Re: Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by Tolly_Paikea » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:29 pm

can dominant and recessive produce chicks with recessive?

like pairing my normal gray Zebra(DD) with my Pied hen(rr)

would they produce and pied chicks?

or would the male have to be Dr instead of DD?
would Dr chicks show any recessive traits?

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r Dr Dr
r Dr Dr

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~~D ~r
r Dr rr
r Dr rr





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~Amon Amarth~ Male Black-face Zebra finch
~Celebdil~ Female CFW Zebra Finch
~Erebor~ Male lightback Zebra Finch
~Anduin~ Male juvenile Zebra Finch(hatched 9/15/14 from C/E)

Current clutch: Celebdil/Erebor
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Re: Colors/mutations/genetics of Zebra's

Post by cindy » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:41 pm

Pied is a hidden trait...it comes out when you least expect it, some of your offspring may visually show it and others may carry the gene. Your offspring will carry the trait so if you are planning to breed them with other mutations you have to take into consideration you may not get the results you want. Lie when breeding a penguin with a pied, the pied removes all orange and ruins in my opinion the look of a penguin zebra.

Pieds according to efinch
http://www.efinch.com/species/piedzeb.htm

All the sites given above in this thread will help you mutation wise.

It also depends on if your male is a pure gray with no hidden genes for other mutations...this will determine your outcome....you need to read read read the sites everyone listed...the mutations are endless!!!!

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