Need help identifying gouldian

[Dayna]

I have a gouldian that is coloring in and has been keeping me confused for weeks! The longer it goes on the more confusing its getting and even though I know I'm going to have to wait to truly find out what he is I can't wait any longer and wanted to find out some opinions.

I can't tell if he's red head or orange and is he going to be white breast or lilac? I've gone back and forth between his head color since he's started coloring out because it seems to keep changing! One day it looks more red then the next like a really dark vibrant orange. His chest I thought for sure was going to be white because he had molted in all white last year. He got stuck in molt last year so is just fully coloring up this year. So he colored in almost all white chest last year but this year he's got patches of what look to be lilac. I'm going to drive myself loopy pretty quick with going back and forth on what color this guy really is. Someone help, please!

[nixity]

Red head Breast color looks white to me..

[debbie276]

Definitely RH. Looks to be a SFYb, his chin looks gray to me.

[kheather]

I was wondering what is the visual difference if any on single and double factor males??? your gouldian will be a handsome man when done molting!!!(not that he isnt already!)

[debbie276]

I was wondering what is the visual difference if any on single and double factor males??? your gouldian will be a handsome man when done molting!!!(not that he isnt already!)

A good explanation is found here:
http://www.finchinfo.com/genetics/lady_ ... colors.php
Look at "dilute" aka SFYb and "pastel" aka SFYellowBlue

[lovemyfinch]

I agree with Debbie and Tiffany, a handsome RH WB SFY male

[kheather]

Thank you for link, I am still confused...the whole yellow thing...and I have 4 yellow babies LOL!! i thought sfyb male was same as dilute and when DF they show a true yellow back....i am missing something here! LOL. I am sure with time I will understand difference!

[debbie276]

Thank you for link, I am still confused...the whole yellow thing...and I have 4 yellow babies LOL!! i thought sfyb male was same as dilute and when DF they show a true yellow back....i am missing something here! LOL. I am sure with time I will understand difference!

"Dilute" is SFYb but if your bird is WB or LB and SFYb the body will be visually yellow. PB "dilute" will be visually green.
"Pastel" is SFYellowBlue and with a WB or LB the body will be visually white (or "silver"). PB "pastel" will be visually blue.

[Dayna]

Thanks for the help everyone

[kheather]

yes thanks....i will continue my confusing questions on a new thread!!! good luck with your pretty bird, please update us with pictures when he is molted out!

[wellingtoncdm]

Sometimes the young female red heads can look reddish orange but their beaks are red. Orange heads have a light orange beak and no reddish ness to their heads.

[kheather]

so if Daynas bird above were a double factor...what visually would be different?

[debbie276]

http://www.finchinfo.com/genetics/lady_ ... colors.php

DFYellow:
The yellow gene suppresses the expression of the color black on the birds, so any area which would normally be black on a green bird appears white or off-white on a yellow bird.

[wellingtoncdm]

Heather, you can go to:

http://www.amadinagouldove.cz/gouldian- ... /index.php

Under male:
Put in red or yellow head.
Lilac or white breast, NOT PURPLE BREAST (that gives you a dilute)
SF yellow the first time then DF yellow and see the difference.

[kheather]

thanks will do now!!!