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Hey guys!
I'm a new hobbyist and still trying to figure out all of
These mutations. Any help would be appreciated.
I was told this male was English/Eumo but after
Doing some reading its been said split to Eumo isn't visible.
what kind of bird do I have?

I don't know anything about Zebra mutations, so can't help you there, but I wanted to welcome you to the forum! There's lots of good reading at www.finchinfo.com, where you will find many articles on finch care, especially the Zebra finch. He is quite stunning.

Kenzie

I'm no zebra expert, but I'd say you have an amazing looking zebra finch! ^5 . Welcome to the forum!

Thank you!

https://www.google.ca/url?q=http://www. ... Vgh8vfy3PA

https://www.google.ca/url?q=http://zebr ... Gt33UuAMEA


@Kenzie

Absolutely beautiful bird

Not an expert on Zebra mutations and genetics.
Maybe these two sites will help a bit.

He is a black face. The area in front of the orange cheek on him is black. It is white with a black tear mark separating it from the orange on the original wild type. That mutation seems to be common in some places. Here it is not, and it is very expensive to buy one of these birds. Very nice!

Beautiful!
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum

Aspen
That's what I thought too but didn't want to be presumptious.
Thanks for the help! This has changed my clutch expectations
Up a bit.

English is not a mutation your bird is Black Face.

Eumo is recessive.Male Description: Orange cheek patch partially or wholly missing and replaced by grey, breast, belly, and vent regions solid black, with no trace of any other pigment. Tail coverts black or at least lacking some of the typical white dots, giving some individuals a completely black rump, tail and vent (a striking appearance). Flanking of male mostly devoid of spots though many will show occasional spots. (photo above are of young birds not yet in full color) http://www.zebrafinch.com/NewZebra/Eumo/Eumo_Zebra.html


http://efinch.com/species/bfzeb.htm Black Face
Male: The space between the tear mark and the beak (lores) is changed from white to black and the breast bar is extended towards the vent making the underside of the male black. The extent of the black is variable. The flanks have a tendency to lose the spots, but this is not so in all cases. The tail coverts also carry more black. The white bars are more narrow.

Your birds is a Black Face

your bird is a Black Face (BF is dominant) if the bird is indeed split to Eumo a split can trait can be seen within the wing feathers, some splits show barbed feathing in the flights, it does not always show. I have had a clutch of splits show some barb feathers in the flights while their sibling did not.

Many breeder breed Eumo with other mutations to straighten out flight issues in the wing feathering, the barbed feathering in full Eumos cause the bird not to fly distances or very high...most young when fledged will need perches low since they can't easily fly to the top. The barbed feathering looks like sections of the feather edges are missing or like a comb.

If you bird is actually split to Eumo it would be written Black Face/ eumo or BF/eumo (some use E)

English is a size or form of the bird... this bird does not look full English to me. It may be a cross between standard and English

in the bottom picture the bird in the front I meant to comment that the top tail feathers were plucked by a cage mate, it did have the black and white pattern in the tail

top picture BF

What mutation hen do you have him paired with?

I found of my zebra group page an example of a CFW/eumo

the two are siblings, one is not expressing the trait of eumo in the feathers
the other is, you can see the thinning or scant not formed feathering close up of Eumo feathing a few of my split to Eumo

cindy
Oh wow! This took me a minute to read but You have answered alot of questions I had. THANK YOU! He is paired with a normal cfw hen.
Currently there are 4 in the nest. So I guess the only question left is wither he is split to eumo. With Eumo being a recessive gene and him being paired with a cfw hen, are my chances slim for it showing up? I'll definitely be checking flight feathers in a few weeks when the babies have fledged. Another question and I will give it a rest. With cfw being sex-linked will all females in the clutch be cfw? Or is there possibility for bf?
I've read about the Eumo flight conditions before but actually being able to SEE the normal vs barbed feathering makes such a difference. Thanks for the pictures.
Side note Your birds are gorgeous!

12.5% Normal /Eumo Chestnut Flanked White Males
12.5% Normal /Eumo Females
12.5% Black face (SF) /Chestnut Flanked White Males
12.5% Black face (SF) Females
12.5% Normal /Chestnut Flanked White Males
12.5% Normal Females
12.5% Black face (SF) /Eumo Chestnut Flanked White Males
12.5% Black face (SF) /Eumo Females

Unless dad is split to cfw all you will get are split to CFW males from mom... those males if not paired in the future with a visual cfw hen will give you visual CFW hens and split to CFW males offspring. To get both male and female CFW offspring you need a visual or split to cfw male and a visual cfw hen. Hens can not be split to sex linked mutations.

(thank you in regards to my birds!)

if you pair a cfw hen up with a non cfw carrying male you would treat her as if she was a normal gray hen... except she would give you split to cfw males. Mom looks the part but will give you no visual hens or male.

As far as splits to Eumo not all young will exhibit the feathering trait and as you see not all young will receive the gene. The more mutations in the mix it lessens the chances of all the young getting the gene. To see if the young you suspect are carrying the Eumo gene you can pair them with a visual Eumo or split to Eumo and if they produce Eumo you know both are Eumo. The feathering on the wings will be more barbed and you will need to accommodate their cage for them so they can get around, low perches, ladders and food and water low enough for them to get to.

A friend raised Eumo and had an outdoor aviary, he had to rig up a perch step system for them to hop or short distance fly to the top.