Hi Debbie! 2 Quick gouldian genetic questions..please

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Hi Debbie! 2 Quick gouldian genetic questions..please

Post by Babs _Owner » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:13 pm

Debbie, I need your expertise. :-B Im about to purchase this lovely fellow. Is this little guy a SF or DF "silver"? If he is SF is he considered a Pastel Blue?
Also, Im getting two outcomes when breeding this fellow with a RH PB GB normal female. One calculator says only the females are visibly yellow (males are pastel), the OTHER calculator says males and females can be born yellow.

Which one should I believe?




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Post by debbie276 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:40 pm

In the picture he looks like a LB is that correct?
Chin looks white so I would say a DF Pastel Blue, if he were SF he would be a SF Pastel Blue :wink:
Hard to tell if the colors are true without others to compare.
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SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

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Post by debbie276 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:44 pm

You would get SF Pastel/Blue (visually lighter green color and grey chin) males and Pastel/Blue (visually yellow) hens
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long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

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https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Post by Babs _Owner » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:19 pm

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Ahhh Thanks a million Debbie! And I was trying to judge by the ring, but I see its just the area right under the chin. When I zoom way in on the picture it definitely looks tan or white, not grey or bluish.

I may have my first YB babies ! Im so excited! Thats Madcat's beauty by the way! ;) So only hen's will be yellow. This is so much fun!

Yes he is a lilac beast. :)
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Post by debbie276 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:22 pm

He's beautiful!
Being LB then all chick's will be PB/LB

Best of luck
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Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

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https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Post by Babs _Owner » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:44 pm

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Thanks again!! And isnt it sooo sweet that Madcat uses soft gloves to handle her babies so she can be super gentle!! <3

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Post by debbie276 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:48 pm

:D
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long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Post by Shannylee » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:18 pm

Handsome fellow!!
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Post by Babs _Owner » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:58 am

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I picked him up yesterday. He is stunning! Thankyou Madcat for another beautiful gouldian!
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Post by Sally » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:38 pm

Beautiful!
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Post by Babs _Owner » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:47 pm

Sally Thanks so much! I swore I would stick to blue and normals. But who could resist this fella? Im expanding my horizons this year ;)

debbie276 I forgot to tag you in the photo above. Here's a great shot of him now home under the full spectrum lighting.

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Post by GouldianGuy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:55 pm

He looks amazing... and he is a blue... just mixed with others ;)

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Post by Babs _Owner » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:06 pm

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Yep, I would need Debbie to expain the genetics involved to make these guys. Ill be researching it more in the next few weeks to understand his colors as well.

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Post by debbie276 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:54 pm

Absolutely gorgeous!!!! =D> =D>

To get a Pastel Blue your male has 2 Pastel genes and 2 Blue genes. If he was Single Factor he would have 1 Pastel and 2 Blue genes to be visually white bodied in a LilacBreast or WhiteBreast and would also have a more grey chin then white.
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long time breeder of lady gouldians:
Green
SF Pastel (SF Yellow)
Pastel (Yellow)
Blue
SF Pastel Blue (SF Yellow Blue)
Pastel Blue (Yellow Blue)

GREAT articles on avian lighting:
https://mickaboo.org/confluence/downloa ... ummary.pdf
http://www.naturallighting.com/cart/sto ... sc_page=56

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Re: Hi Debbie! 2 Quick gouldian genetic questions..please

Post by GouldianGuy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:17 pm

would you say thats lilac or purple breasted?

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