Society finches
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Society finches
Does anyone here breed society finches and know what colour combinations make what babies.
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
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Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
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Re: Society finches
I've bred several, but am only familiar with chocolate, chestnut, fawn, pied, American self, Euro self and crested mutations.
Chocolate is dominant to chestnut and fawn, while chestnut is only dominant to fawn.
Pied is co-dominant with self; a single-factor pied bird will usually have a few patches of white, while a double-factor pied bird will have more white.
Euro selfs and American selfs seem to have incomplete dominance; a Euro x American self is a mix of its parents (mid-sized, moderate chest scaling, breast with some white, intermediate temperament).
Crested is dominant to non-crested; however, double-factor crested birds often have the same or worse-quality feathers than single-factor crested.
I do not know much about dilutes, clearwings, pearls, inos, or whites (I think dark-eyed is a recessive double-factor pied, but don't quote me on that).
Some possible pairings:
Fawn X fawn
100% fawn
Chestnut X fawn
100% chestnut
or
50% chestnut
50% fawn
Chocolate X fawn
100% chocolate
or
50% chocolate
50% chestnut
or
50% chocolate
50% fawn
Chestnut X chestnut
100% chestnut
or
75% chestnut
25% fawn
Chocolate X chestnut
100% chocolate
or
50% chocolate
50% chestnut
or
50% chocolate
25% chestnut
25% fawn
Chocolate X chocolate
100% chocolate
or
75% chocolate
25% chestnut
or
75% chocolate
25% fawn
Self X self
100% self
Pied X pied
100% pied (100% DF)
or
100% pied (50% DF, 50% SF)
or
75% pied (25% DF, 50% SF)
25% self
Pied X self
100% pied
or
50% pied
50% self
Crested X crested (not ideal)
100% crested (100% DF)
or
100% crested (50% DF, 50% SF)
or
75% crested (25% DF, 25% SF)
25% normal
Crested X non-crested
100% crested (100% SF)
or
50% crested (50% SF)
50% non-crested
Non-crested X non-crested
100% non-crested
For incomplete dominance and co-dominance:
DF= Double-factor/homozygous
SF= Single-factor/heterozygous
Chocolate is dominant to chestnut and fawn, while chestnut is only dominant to fawn.
Pied is co-dominant with self; a single-factor pied bird will usually have a few patches of white, while a double-factor pied bird will have more white.
Euro selfs and American selfs seem to have incomplete dominance; a Euro x American self is a mix of its parents (mid-sized, moderate chest scaling, breast with some white, intermediate temperament).
Crested is dominant to non-crested; however, double-factor crested birds often have the same or worse-quality feathers than single-factor crested.
I do not know much about dilutes, clearwings, pearls, inos, or whites (I think dark-eyed is a recessive double-factor pied, but don't quote me on that).
Some possible pairings:
Fawn X fawn
100% fawn
Chestnut X fawn
100% chestnut
or
50% chestnut
50% fawn
Chocolate X fawn
100% chocolate
or
50% chocolate
50% chestnut
or
50% chocolate
50% fawn
Chestnut X chestnut
100% chestnut
or
75% chestnut
25% fawn
Chocolate X chestnut
100% chocolate
or
50% chocolate
50% chestnut
or
50% chocolate
25% chestnut
25% fawn
Chocolate X chocolate
100% chocolate
or
75% chocolate
25% chestnut
or
75% chocolate
25% fawn
Self X self
100% self
Pied X pied
100% pied (100% DF)
or
100% pied (50% DF, 50% SF)
or
75% pied (25% DF, 50% SF)
25% self
Pied X self
100% pied
or
50% pied
50% self
Crested X crested (not ideal)
100% crested (100% DF)
or
100% crested (50% DF, 50% SF)
or
75% crested (25% DF, 25% SF)
25% normal
Crested X non-crested
100% crested (100% SF)
or
50% crested (50% SF)
50% non-crested
Non-crested X non-crested
100% non-crested
For incomplete dominance and co-dominance:
DF= Double-factor/homozygous
SF= Single-factor/heterozygous
- lovezebs
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Re: Society finches
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- Fraza
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Re: Society finches
Thanks Elana
And I have a grey mutated and a ginger one I have picture below but the 'ginge' never leaves the chicks
And I have a grey mutated and a ginger one I have picture below but the 'ginge' never leaves the chicks
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
- Fraza
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Re: Society finches
And this is the ginge
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
- Fraza
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Re: Society finches
And this is the ginge
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
- lovezebs
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Re: Society finches
~Elana~
Linnies~ Canaries ~ Zebras ~ Societies ~ Gouldians ~ Orange Cheeks ~ Shaft Tails ~ Strawberries ~ Red Cheek Cordon Bleu ~ Goldbreasts ~ Red Brows ~ Owls ~ Budgies ~ Diamond Firetails ~ Javas ~ Forbes Parrot Finches ~
Linnies~ Canaries ~ Zebras ~ Societies ~ Gouldians ~ Orange Cheeks ~ Shaft Tails ~ Strawberries ~ Red Cheek Cordon Bleu ~ Goldbreasts ~ Red Brows ~ Owls ~ Budgies ~ Diamond Firetails ~ Javas ~ Forbes Parrot Finches ~
- Fraza
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Re: Society finches
Yes it is the father and it's my favourite one interacts a lot with people they have just had chicks 13 days old now
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
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Re: Society finches
Fraza
The female looks like a single-factor fawn pied. As for the male, he might be a pearl..? I'd guess that most of the babies will have his greyish base coloring, with about half having minor pie marks/ white patches.
The female looks like a single-factor fawn pied. As for the male, he might be a pearl..? I'd guess that most of the babies will have his greyish base coloring, with about half having minor pie marks/ white patches.
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Re: Society finches
Some good reading here:
http://www.zebrafinch.com/SocietyFinch/Society.html
Yours looks like what he calls a black brown society. I've also seen these called chocolate self and Euro.
http://www.zebrafinch.com/SocietyFinch/Society.html
Yours looks like what he calls a black brown society. I've also seen these called chocolate self and Euro.
- wilkifam
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Re: Society finches
What colors do you have to work with? It will be easier answering if I know what you've got.
Lori
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
- wilkifam
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Re: Society finches
Your one pic looks like a Black Gray, or Chocolate Gray Euro. The one you are calling Ginge, looks pied to me. One white feather = pied.
Lori
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
- wilkifam
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Re: Society finches
I would look for a nice Black Brown Euro to cross your male with. He is a pretty nice looking bird. I would not breed pieds to selfs.
Lori
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
Gouldians
Societies
Java FInches
Bourkes
Scarlets
Myers Parrot - Murphy
African Gray - Nzinga
2 GSD's - Heidi and Chiko
1 Minpin - Ted
1 Heinz 57 - Buster Brown
Chickens
- Fraza
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Re: Society finches
Yeh well the babies have came put in there colours now and they are a mixture of brown black and specs of white
and I didn't know you could separate a pair to breed with another bird.
and I didn't know you could separate a pair to breed with another bird.
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
- lovezebs
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Re: Society finches
Fraza
Sounds like you have a nest full of Pied Socie babies.
Yes, you can seperate bonded pairs, but might have to house them in a different room from one another for a while, where they can't see or hear each other .
After a while, they will accept a new mate.
Sounds like you have a nest full of Pied Socie babies.
Yes, you can seperate bonded pairs, but might have to house them in a different room from one another for a while, where they can't see or hear each other .
After a while, they will accept a new mate.
~Elana~
Linnies~ Canaries ~ Zebras ~ Societies ~ Gouldians ~ Orange Cheeks ~ Shaft Tails ~ Strawberries ~ Red Cheek Cordon Bleu ~ Goldbreasts ~ Red Brows ~ Owls ~ Budgies ~ Diamond Firetails ~ Javas ~ Forbes Parrot Finches ~
Linnies~ Canaries ~ Zebras ~ Societies ~ Gouldians ~ Orange Cheeks ~ Shaft Tails ~ Strawberries ~ Red Cheek Cordon Bleu ~ Goldbreasts ~ Red Brows ~ Owls ~ Budgies ~ Diamond Firetails ~ Javas ~ Forbes Parrot Finches ~