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haroun, will a grey split to pied still give you black face ?

Will you be able to get black face pied ?

the BF gene is dominant... the bird pictured is pied... pied erases color and also makes it difficult to ID other mutations in the bird... if the bird is a BF pied then he will pass the BF onto the offspring, they also can not be split to BF. I personally see no evidence of BF just pied CFW

the small white dots you refer to are a split to pied bird.

BF males emerge from the nest with the BF markings. Females will emerge from the nest missing the white between the beak and tear...that color should be the same as the body color, if the hen is gray that area will be gray... if the bird is all white pied it does make it difficult to ID BF since most pied removes the markings around the chin and head, face first.

below are young BF offspring in adult color, color is diluted due to parents mutations

cindy wrote: BF males emerge from the nest with the BF markings. Females will emerge from the nest missing the white between the beak and tear...that color should be the same as the body color, if the hen is gray that area will be gray... if the bird is all white pied it does make it difficult to ID BF since most pied removes the markings around the chin and head, face first.

below are young BF offspring in adult color, color is diluted due to parents mutations

Hi thank you, I have a bf male too so I've compared my pied to that of a bf and a normal... Looked like bf. I'm just wondering if normal split pied is okay, because I now realise split pied is not good because of the recessive and it will keep the pied, whereas pure normal would remove the pied leaving black face babies.

cindy welcome back, we donn't read you since a lot, hope u doing very well.

Flight Feathers wrote: haroun, will a grey split to pied still give you black face ?

Yes u can always combine bf and pied, but as i said and cindy it can make it difficult to ID BF pied from Pied. If i was in ur place i'll not do that. Black face must have as its name the face totaly black and better if the belly follows that and takes black color. There're more interesting combos with BF than the pied bf combinaison.
I dont forget is recessive and could hide for a while and reapear when we don't excpect it.

BF is dominant not recessive... a bird can not be split to a dominant gene.

Pied is recessive, the bird can hide the pied (split) and not show it visually then produce young with pied markings. white on the face, chin, top of the head and wing edges are typically called split to pieds. Birds carrying more pied in the body, most the head and face coloring gone are called Pied. Saddlebacks is a stage in breeding many pieds in the line through generations or breeding birds with heavy pied... the "saddle" is one of the last visual colored areas left before all color is removed in the next generation... more pied you breed into the generations the more color removed in the next generation.

Okay thank you!! As I said my pied is at a friends so she has him in her aviairy now so depends who he ends up matching up with now.