Rare or uncommon colors?
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Rare or uncommon colors?
Hello!
I’m just wondering what society finch colors are considered rare or uncommon?
Thanks!
I’m just wondering what society finch colors are considered rare or uncommon?
Thanks!
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
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Pretty much anything that isn't a base color or pied is going to be uncommon. Fawn is the most recessive of the base colors, and is one of the less common base colors a result. Fox red is rare, and is genetically fawn with richer colors. It seems semi-common in Australian birds. Chestnut is dominant to fawn and recessive to chocolate, but it's fairly rare in my area. Chocolate is the most common. Black-brown seems to be a richer-colored chocolate, and is uncommon in the US but common in Europe and Australia.
Pied is extremely common, and codominant over self. Dark-eyed white/white pied is uncommon, and marked pieds are also less common. Self is uncommon to rare depending on where you live.
Grey and red-brown are both uncommon. Both are recessive. Red-brown seems to be the rarer of the two.
Dilute is uncommon, though it tends to be seen more in European birds. It is recessive. Clearwings are a subset of dilutes, and also uncommon. Albinos are rare, and albinism is recessive.
Ino is uncommon and sex-linked recessive. Pearls are probably among the rarest, and are sex-linked recessive, as well.
It's the combination of traits that make colors rare. Take fawn and self, for example; neither of them are that rare, but fawn selfs aren't common (at least where I live).
Pretty much anything that isn't a base color or pied is going to be uncommon. Fawn is the most recessive of the base colors, and is one of the less common base colors a result. Fox red is rare, and is genetically fawn with richer colors. It seems semi-common in Australian birds. Chestnut is dominant to fawn and recessive to chocolate, but it's fairly rare in my area. Chocolate is the most common. Black-brown seems to be a richer-colored chocolate, and is uncommon in the US but common in Europe and Australia.
Pied is extremely common, and codominant over self. Dark-eyed white/white pied is uncommon, and marked pieds are also less common. Self is uncommon to rare depending on where you live.
Grey and red-brown are both uncommon. Both are recessive. Red-brown seems to be the rarer of the two.
Dilute is uncommon, though it tends to be seen more in European birds. It is recessive. Clearwings are a subset of dilutes, and also uncommon. Albinos are rare, and albinism is recessive.
Ino is uncommon and sex-linked recessive. Pearls are probably among the rarest, and are sex-linked recessive, as well.
It's the combination of traits that make colors rare. Take fawn and self, for example; neither of them are that rare, but fawn selfs aren't common (at least where I live).
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Well Icearstorm has told u everything but I think the white ones with red eyes and the pearls are the rarest
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java x beng hybrid
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dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Thank you so much!! I saw a pic of a fox red colored one yesterday - they are beautiful! What is a pearl and clear wing? Also do you know of any good websites that will show photos of all the different colors?Icearstorm wrote: Flight Feathers
Pretty much anything that isn't a base color or pied is going to be uncommon. Fawn is the most recessive of the base colors, and is one of the less common base colors a result. Fox red is rare, and is genetically fawn with richer colors. It seems semi-common in Australian birds. Chestnut is dominant to fawn and recessive to chocolate, but it's fairly rare in my area. Chocolate is the most common. Black-brown seems to be a richer-colored chocolate, and is uncommon in the US but common in Europe and Australia.
Pied is extremely common, and codominant over self. Dark-eyed white/white pied is uncommon, and marked pieds are also less common. Self is uncommon to rare depending on where you live.
Grey and red-brown are both uncommon. Both are recessive. Red-brown seems to be the rarer of the two.
Dilute is uncommon, though it tends to be seen more in European birds. It is recessive. Clearwings are a subset of dilutes, and also uncommon. Albinos are rare, and albinism is recessive.
Ino is uncommon and sex-linked recessive. Pearls are probably among the rarest, and are sex-linked recessive, as well.
It's the combination of traits that make colors rare. Take fawn and self, for example; neither of them are that rare, but fawn selfs aren't common (at least where I live).
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
So albino and pearl are the rarest then? I put up an add saying I was looking to get societies next month and one person answered but I think they might just be someone trying to scam going by what they said.Fraza wrote: Well Icearstorm has told u everything but I think the white ones with red eyes and the pearls are the rarest
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Flight Feathers
Zebrafinch.com includes pictures for most of the society color mutations. Aussie Bengos is also good.
It's quite dependent on location; Europe and Japan seem to have more society finches of uncommon mutations, while the US doesn't seem to have as much variety. From what I've gathered, it does seem like pearls and albinos are some of the rarest.
Bear in mind that red-eyed white society finches could be either ino or albino; you'd probably have to figure it out by test-crossing them (breeding and determining the parents' genes by their offspring's characteristics). It also appears that red-brown and fox red society finches look similar, despite different genes contributing to the rich color.
Zebrafinch.com includes pictures for most of the society color mutations. Aussie Bengos is also good.
It's quite dependent on location; Europe and Japan seem to have more society finches of uncommon mutations, while the US doesn't seem to have as much variety. From what I've gathered, it does seem like pearls and albinos are some of the rarest.
Bear in mind that red-eyed white society finches could be either ino or albino; you'd probably have to figure it out by test-crossing them (breeding and determining the parents' genes by their offspring's characteristics). It also appears that red-brown and fox red society finches look similar, despite different genes contributing to the rich color.
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Icearstorm if like to ask aswell I have a creamo heck which I though was an albino but her bib is cream also I have a albino society with red eyes
And they both have bad eye sight and just hover around for a while till they find a perch
And they both have bad eye sight and just hover around for a while till they find a perch
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
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Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Thank you so much! I’ll have to take a look at those websites. I wonder how many uncommon/rare colors there are here in NZ.Icearstorm wrote: Flight Feathers
Zebrafinch.com includes pictures for most of the society color mutations. Aussie Bengos is also good.
It's quite dependent on location; Europe and Japan seem to have more society finches of uncommon mutations, while the US doesn't seem to have as much variety. From what I've gathered, it does seem like pearls and albinos are some of the rarest.
Bear in mind that red-eyed white society finches could be either ino or albino; you'd probably have to figure it out by test-crossing them (breeding and determining the parents' genes by their offspring's characteristics). It also appears that red-brown and fox red society finches look similar, despite different genes contributing to the rich color.
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Do they mostly have difficulty when the lighting is really bright?Fraza wrote: Icearstorm if like to ask aswell I have a creamo heck which I though was an albino but her bib is cream also I have a albino society with red eyes
And they both have bad eye sight and just hover around for a while till they find a perch
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Fraza
Yeah, red-eyed birds are a lot more likely to have vision issues, especially if they are albino. I don't know if it's true, but I read that society finches from non-fawn lines tend to have better vision than fawns. I don't know about Heck's finch genetics, though, so I probably won't be very helpful with that.
Yeah, red-eyed birds are a lot more likely to have vision issues, especially if they are albino. I don't know if it's true, but I read that society finches from non-fawn lines tend to have better vision than fawns. I don't know about Heck's finch genetics, though, so I probably won't be very helpful with that.
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Icearstorm yeh well I think it right because it’s like they are. Flying blind folded but manage to find the food and beds so must be able to see anit
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
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Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
Is it weird that my society has a brown top part of beak and white bottom? He looks something like the one in the picture above.
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
FinchLover&Breeder that’s actually how it’s supposed to be u less if it’s a fawn or white and it’s more like a pink colour instead of brown
When they are chicks or young juveniles it’s all black then over time it blends in to a brown/black on top and a white/grey on bottoms or if they are a fawn or white it’s just pinky colour
When they are chicks or young juveniles it’s all black then over time it blends in to a brown/black on top and a white/grey on bottoms or if they are a fawn or white it’s just pinky colour
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
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Re: Rare or uncommon colors?
[quote=Fraza]Flight Feathers sorry I didn’t see this comment [quote=Flight Feathers][quote=Fraza]
Icearstorm if like to ask aswell I have a creamo heck which I though was an albino but her bib is cream also I have a albino society with red eyes
And they both have bad eye sight and just hover around for a while till they find a perch
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Do they mostly have difficulty when the lighting is really bright?[/quote]
Yes they do find it harder in bright places at first they kept flying into the roof on the aviary because they can only see the mesh because I have a plastic cover but now it’s been a few weeks they have got the hangs of it they come out get food and water bath and go back inside they are just very slow at moving take a lot of time to take off
Icearstorm if like to ask aswell I have a creamo heck which I though was an albino but her bib is cream also I have a albino society with red eyes
And they both have bad eye sight and just hover around for a while till they find a perch
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Do they mostly have difficulty when the lighting is really bright?[/quote]
Yes they do find it harder in bright places at first they kept flying into the roof on the aviary because they can only see the mesh because I have a plastic cover but now it’s been a few weeks they have got the hangs of it they come out get food and water bath and go back inside they are just very slow at moving take a lot of time to take off
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid
PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s
My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader
YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3