What color babies will I get?

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Flight Feathers » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:07 pm

Fraza wrote: Flight Feathers no he won’t they will all stick together only one Male with breed with her but they will all still huddle up together it’s really strange when you compare them to zebs cos a trio could definelty not work but with these guys u will see

And Yh this way u can get an extra clutch out of your zebs cos you can foster a clutch under the society’s with the society clutch together
Okay great thank you! I cannot wait for them to breed! Lol no that would definitley not work having a trio of zebs. Yeah I’ll definitely see if I can get a hold of some zebs eggs and foster them under the soceities. How many eggs would be considered manageable for a trio of soceities to raise?
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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Flight Feathers » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:12 pm

Icearstorm wrote: Flight Feathers

Fawn is the most recessive of all the base colors, so the babies will be fawn.

It's hard to know for sure, but I'm guessing that all of your birds are single-factor pied, as they only have a little bit of white. If that is true, here's a punnet square of the breeding results:

P= pied (codominant)
p= self (recessive)
(Having to use "..." for formatting.)

.....P.....p < single-factor pied parent
P...PP...Pp
p...Pp..pp
^single-factor pied parent

25% double-factor pieds (PP); these will probably be around 50% white.
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50% single-factor pieds (Pp); these will probably look like your current birds.
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25% self (pp); these will not have white patches.
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Crested birds almost always are split/heterogeneous to non-crested, as a double-factor crested birds tend to have feather problems. As a result, two crested birds should not be bred to each other.
Crested is dominant, so 50% of the offspring will be crested:

C= crested allele
c= non-crested allele

.....C....c <crested parent
c...Cc...cc
c...Cc...cc
^ non-crested parent


Taken all together, the results will probably be:
12.5% crested fawn double-factor pied
12.5% non-crested fawn double-factor pied
25% crested fawn single-factor pied
25% non-crested fawn single-factor pied
12.5% non-crested fawn self
12.5% crested fawn self

It's unlikely that your birds have hidden alleles like ino, grey, or red-brown, but if they do, that complicates things quite a lot. I don't feel like doing the calculations for that, though
here's an earlier thread where I discussed ino inheritance: Grey Society Finch

Edit: Whoops, thought one of your males, not the female, was crested. Fixed that.
Okay thank you so much!! I think I’m sort of getting it lol :D I don’t mind just getting Pieds as Pieds are beautiful! (Despite the fact that they ruin the self colouring) I’m glad I’ll be able to get crested birds tho. And no I definitley wouldnt breed two cresteds together. There’s also a genetic fault when the crested gene - it produces young with things wrong with their feet. Luckily the crested female I got hasn’t had any problems with her offspring which is good. (Of it she has it wasn’t many problems) I’m hoping to get some other colors other than fawn but I’m still happy with whatever I get :D
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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by haroun » Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:36 am

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38805
@Icearstorm, thank u for that input, can u advise me what can be the outcome from my society finch see kin, i akready
Got onz from Fraza h'and have an idea.

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Flight Feathers » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:15 am

haroun wrote: http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38805
@Icearstorm, thank u for that input, can u advise me what can be the outcome from my society finch see kin, i akready
Got onz from Fraza h'and have an idea.

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Hahaha I can’t get away from the pied gene :D
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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Flight Feathers » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:17 am

haroun wrote: http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38805
@Icearstorm, thank u for that input, can u advise me what can be the outcome from my society finch see kin, i akready
Got onz from Fraza h'and have an idea.

@"Flight Feathers" pied loves you :mrgreen:
What colors are your soceities?

Also a bit off topic but how many dominant genes can a male zeb carry and how exactly does it work? Which genes dominate which? Does black face dominate normal? From my black face and cfw pair how would I get a normal ?? Sorry about all the questions!
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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Fraza » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:51 pm

haroun have your society’s got along yet or started to breed
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid



PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s

My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader


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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Fraza » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:52 pm

Flight Feathers I have only ever have mine 5 at the most I would give more but I just don’t want to over do them so I try and keep a max of 5 but I think they could manage 8-10
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid



PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s

My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader


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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Flight Feathers » Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:35 pm

Fraza wrote: Flight Feathers I have only ever have mine 5 at the most I would give more but I just don’t want to over do them so I try and keep a max of 5 but I think they could manage 8-10
Okay that’s good to know. Thanks!
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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by haroun » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:09 am

Flight Feathers wrote:
haroun wrote: http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38805
@Icearstorm, thank u for that input, can u advise me what can be the outcome from my society finch see kin, i akready
Got onz from Fraza h'and have an idea.

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What colors are your soceities?
The hen is cream-ino, the cock brown chocolate i think
Use I
Also a bit off topic but how many dominant genes can a male zeb carry and how exactly does it work? Which genes dominate which? Does black face dominate normal? From my black face and cfw pair how would I get a normal ?? Sorry about all the questions!
Hen cream-ino, male brown chocolate.
About zebra and dominante, there is no limit i think you can have a BF Silver, crested cheekless and FC at same time.
FF the US version of Isabel is co dominante that mean uf you breed Florida Fancy to grey u will get a transitory bird. wich is single factor Florida fancy.
Also Light back dominates Cfw.

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by haroun » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:21 am

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haroun wrote: http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=38805
@Icearstorm, thank u for that input, can u advise me what can be the outcome from my society finch see kin, i akready
Got onz from Fraza h'and have an idea.

@"Flight Feathers" pied loves you :mrgreen:
Any advise please.

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by haroun » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:34 am

Fraza wrote: haroun have your society’s got along yet or started to breed
I give them a nest, firsr days, the heb was interested but accoeding to her keg ring it's a juvenil, i givee them some zebra dude eggs, i figure today that the male is sitting tightly, so i give them new layed zebra eggs, let them play lol and see if they will correct rise if any!

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Re: What color babies will I get?

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Fraza » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:13 am

haroun they’re a nice pair and the minute she’s out of the juvie part she will beeed happened with caramel and coco remember literally when she turned 3 months she bred and before that she would attack him when he sang to her

And that’s good then and I’m sure they will bring up chicks I’ve only had one society that didn’t and that was coco chick who was horrible
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid



PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s

My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader


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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by haroun » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:56 am

Fraza , i give her all the time that she will need , remeber ! i breed my first Bengalese after one year of owning and they were already adult, she will learn on this first and last 2017 round cuze it starts to heat here , should stop breeding soon

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Re: What color babies will I get?

Post by Fraza » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 pm

haroun yea whenever she’s ready but I think cos she’s been with the Male since being a juvie the minute she does come to breeding condition it wollbhappene straght away :shock: anyway atkeast you can use her for fostering now
FINCHES I HAVE
Bengalese
zebras
Java sparrows
Silver bills
java x beng hybrid



PETS IVE HAD
dogs
Fish
Cocktiel
Doves
Hybrid cherry x Bengalese
Stars
Heck’s
Canary’s

My favourite is COCO my grey pearl society cock been here since the start my flock leader


YOUTUBE CHANNEL
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=fraser% ... de101&sm=3

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