Tangerine Heads?

[CandoAviary]

After the info given on my new male I started researching. On Winnie's GPA forum I did a search and found many said they were a form of orange.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GPA1 ... sage/12858
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GPA1 ... sage/14031
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GPA1 ... sage/14034
Also a pic of Tangerine head
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11859828@N05/1215329121/
Then I was told they were actually RH because of the beak color...though I really don't see the red beak on him. Hard to capture his true color with the camera. I guess there is some confusion as to whether they are RH or YH.
Anyway I was thinking of pairing him up with an OH hen I have...most of my hens have very pretty OH. Bit if it is a RH then I would prefer to keep it that way.... which brings me to my question.
These 2 hens were in a bunch I aquired from a retiring breeder back in February. I assumed these were RH hens with poor quality of mask. One is orange with rtb and the other more of a shade of Tangerine with a rtb. The red on their beak is obvious. But their is so much bright yellow running trough the head mask.
What do you guys think? Would this be a good pair for a Tangerine headed male? Or would you pair him with a hen like in the last picture. A true OH?









And the Redder one





One of my OH line hens


And again, my Tangerine head male awaiting a hen

[debbie276]

Candace,
The only time that I've ever heard the term tangerine was when the infamous Victoria was trying to sell them. There were huge arguments over it and my understanding was that the "tangerine" heads were either yellow or red heads depending on their beak color not a seperate genetic head color. People started posting all their "tangerine" heads and some yellows were very dark and some reds were more orangy.
If you think he's not a RH I would pair him with a YH and see if you get YH chicks.
Good luck and keep us updated

[CandoAviary]

Thanks Debbie. I don't know who Victoria is but I did see Winnie had hers listed as tangerine head also. I know it's not a new mutation...more of a descriptive term like rose breasted to describe a shade of lilac. Sometimes people like the descriptive term and then there are those like me that gets cofused by them. lol
I am leaning more and more that he is a RH. I actually just came in from the bird building and paired him with the very light orangy head with the rtb in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th photo. I believe this hen has some age on her and I would like to get at least one clutch from her. Maybe later I will pair him with an OH. I just have too many other males that I want to pair with the OH hens that I have available at this time....so I kind of made up my mind about an hour ago.
What do you think of these hens mask?...... I love their body color, and their large body size but was not too crazy about the mask. I had never seen any quite that pale with so much yellow throughout. Was wondering if maybe due to age or just the genetics.
Anyway I will see if I can get larger mask tangerine tone RHs with the larger body size I love the cherry red heads but I find this orange/red really pretty also..... of course I haven't found a color of gouldian I don't like yet

[nixity]

In the case of your hen I think its just an example of a yellow bodied hen that has a bit more of a "dirty" mask - it just looks a bit different because where there would be black, it's white, and the white plays with the red a bit making it look a bit more blended.
I still think she's pretty either way, and would be a good match for him

[CandoAviary]

Tiffany, I would of never thought of that but the dirty mask thing makes total sense. I have those in the green backs but these are the first white breast, yellow hens that I have aquired and now that is exactly what I see. The mask muttled with the surrounding color. Thanks for the insight.
I would like to get some chicks from this hen because they are a really good size and the brightest yellow. Plus more white breast

[nixity]

They are both pretty, but the one with the more mottled color has a very nice, rounded head, that I think would pair nicely with the RH males puffy pretty round head

I haven't seen that hens with this type of color necessarily pass it to their babies, either.
The few hens I've produced with color like this also ALL came from RH x RH pairing so I can't say it has anything to do with mixing head colors.
I think it's just one of the many modifiers present, which also probably explains the degree of brightness of Red, the degree of lilac, the degree of "dilutedness" you see, etc etc.

[CandoAviary]

Yeah, I liked her head shape and body conformation better too. The other hen has a bit of a flat head.
I think the differences in colors are what truly make these birds so interesting.
Eugene (his name) was courting his new lady, Jonquil, this afternoon. When I went out to lock everything down for the night they were side by side on the high perch Will possibly add nest to the cage fronts tommorrow

[debbie276]

In the case of your hen I think its just an example of a yellow bodied hen that has a bit more of a "dirty" mask

I agree with Tiffany.

I love all the different shades of colors but I don't think it is a good thing to call them anything but what they are genetically. The genetics are hard enough for some to grasp without having extra colors thrown in there. I amazes me how just because a breeder innocently called it this or that their buyers will argue till the cows come home that it's a real gouldian color genetically.

Victoria was someone who had a lot of "special" birds and she riped off many for hundreds of dollars with one of those "send me the money and I'll ship your birds" deals. So you didn't miss anything other then possibly losing some money.

Good luck with the pairing do let us know how it goes.