Hey, can y'all tell me how to quote people? LOL! I don't think it worked below!
adoumski wrote:
adoumski
I have done S76, Wormaway, and Cocci-Care. The tests ruled out all worms, parasites and protozoa. She explained the symptoms he was having may sound like megabacteria to me but could be the result of so many things. It was negative on a quick test from before but I read how this can be missed so I had them redo them....2 quick Gram stains and two wet ones which I will hear about the results tomorrow. She said she COULD prescribe what I want for the MegaBacteria, BUT it's hard on the kidneys. She said if he is this sick, it should show up and the place that does it are basically experts at finding it on the scope! So we'll see I guess. She has prescribed Baytril to start until we find out more info tomorrow. If this doesn't work, it's on to the next anti-biotic. Although I am not sure how much time he has, as in a week he went from 19g to 18g!!!!
Ginene wrote:
Ginene
Look up Links Animial and Bird Clinic in Toronto....they are 'THE BEST'. Rick Axelton heads it. She checked for ASM, there are none. She even took a light to his neck and said you would even be able to see them in in there through the skin. NADA....see above comment for more info....
So frustrating! Hopefully the Baytril works....we'll know in 48 hours I would hope!
dan78 wrote:
dan78
The nest nixed out the worms....see above comments:-( It's this bizarre? A blood test may indeed be the next step, not sure what it can tell us though. This seems to be a mystery with no easy answer!
Will update more soon....thanks everyone!!!!
EDIT!! Here is the email I sent the vet prior to our visit:
I have written down all of his symptoms, especially the new ones as of this week onto a paper and then went through everything again. Since all the tests came back negative, the only one that I assume wasn't tested over the course of 5 days of poop samples, was the megabacteria. This is for sure not air sack mites, as there are no clicking sounds and this was verified at our last visit. Air sack mites do not cause frantic eating and seed in very runny poop.
Megabacteria single poop tests are apparently only 80% accurate and the amount of people reporting false negatives online is pretty high! It is not shed each time as well. By process of elimination AND by his symptoms, I think we should treat him with Megabac-S/Amphotericin B.
Symtoms that he has which are also the Megabacteria symptoms:
1. Fluffed up - Over two months
2.Going light - Over two months
3. Frantically eating - Over one month
4. Seeds in droppings - Over one month, worse in the last two weeks.
5. Excessive mucus - I noticed this in the stool shortly after I dropped off the samples, it's very stringy! So about a week now, could have been more.
6. Reguritation of food/possible blood - no blood but in the last two weeks or so I've been noticing food always stuck and caked all over his beak, and wondered why he was so messy lately!
7. Dark green/brown watery poop - this happens quite often, although not ALWAYS, but more so in the last few days.
8. Clumsiness - As I told you during our visit, he is extremely clumsy, he falls all the time off his perches, trips while walking, can't fly right, smashes into things, can't groom his backside without loosing balance. This has been since the beginning so about 2 months.
9. Tailbobbing, especially at night - Over two months, and I have noticed it mostly at night up until about a week or two ago, where it's in the day as well.
10. Constantly adjusting crop/gagging - this has been happening more so in the last 48 hours.
11. Enlarged Abdomen - I am not sure I can accurately test for this so you can have a look when we get there. He is so thin when I check him, and the only thing that sticks out IS his abdomen, so that may be why.
I have also read that fruit can further worsen the condition because of the sugars, which as you know, he LOVES mango and we have been giving that to him....ugh! Probably making things worse. I thought to myself after our visit, it wouldn't be a bad idea to add some apple cider vinegar to his water, but, I went against my instinct only because I had him on cocci-care. I am now kicking myself because apparently ACV helps to keep megabacteria numbers down....they don't like acids!
My instinct is also telling me that this could possibly be the problem, the megabacteria. There are no signs of respiratory problems other than tail bobbing. He has been formally treated with S76 (ivermectin .8g/litre & Slippery Elm 5mg/litre) so I am just not sure that could be it, plus I cannot see it causing all the other symptoms which so accurately line up with megabacteria.
Let me know your thoughts, and will see you at 1:30! Also, not meaning to insult or anything, I am just curious if you have asked the other vets in the clinic their thoughts on this all coming back negative. Sometimes combined knowledge can be useful....not sure if you watch House or not, but....yeah;-)
Thanks again!
Cat
