Deciding between Russian, American, and Waterslager

[CaliKiwi]

Stuart whiting I looked for some higher quality videos of German Rollers singing, and I'm really starting to like the gentleness of their song.

Is it just me, or do they sing with less intensity and speed than most canaries? Their song seems a lot slower, more laid back. I love the water sounds that Waterslagers make, but I'm starting to notice that their song tends to be a bit intense.

[Stuart whiting]

CaliKiwi

Yes mate they do sing with less intensity and speed than a lot of other canaries, no where near as loud or powerful, it's more a case of different frequency levels along with a multitude of different suttle notes

[lem2bert]

I have 4 pet canaries. Three I rescued from local pet stores and 1 I bought from a breeder. I doubt that any are pedigree, but that does not matter to me. I have a yellow male with a beautiful song and a yellow female with a lovely little chatter. I have two that are fairly quiet but light up the room with beautiful orange colors. Just their presence in my home brings me much joy, and all they need in return is good food , and comfortable and clean cages. I would never consider them useless just because there is no pedigree. Just my opinion from my experience.

[Stuart whiting]

I have 4 pet canaries. Three I rescued from local pet stores and 1 I bought from a breeder. I doubt that any are pedigree, but that does not matter to me. I have a yellow male with a beautiful song and a yellow female with a lovely little chatter. I have two that are fairly quiet but light up the room with beautiful orange colors. Just their presence in my home brings me much joy, and all they need in return is good food , and comfortable and clean cages. I would never consider them useless just because there is no pedigree. Just my opinion from my experience.

Hi Betty,

For anyone who just simply wants to keep a few canaries indoors then any canary hybrids ( cross breeds ) I suppose would be ok,
but for most people who may intend on breeding canaries are gonna be looking for quality birds that are pure bred birds that have a particular std to go by

[paul-inAZ]

Stuart: You must be aware that hybrids and cross breeds are a world apart.

A hybrid is a cross between parents of different species. e.g.. canary x red siskin
A cross breed is between parents from a single species. e.g. roller x timbrado [both canaries]

Neither one is necessarily a condemnation. A mixed breed pet can be just as enjoyable as a purebred.

[Stuart whiting]

Stuart: You must be aware that hybrids and cross breeds are a world apart.

A hybrid is a cross between parents of different species. e.g.. canary x red siskin
A cross breed is between parents from a single species. e.g. roller x timbrado [both canaries]

Neither one is necessarily a condemnation. A mixed breed pet can be just as enjoyable as a purebred.

Now your just being very silly do you onestly and seriously think that I don't know what a hybrid is, my god I've been breeding and exhibiting mules and hybrids for 30 years and at champion level !!!!!

Not so much now as I now specialise in quality zebras along with a few other foreign finches etc.

Yes I know that the true meaning of a hybrid is between two different species but it's nicer to explain this to someone who's got a few cross bred canaries than just saying oh yer birds are just worthless mongerals.....do you get me point !!!!

This is the list of mules and hybrids that I've bred and exhibited over the last 30 years :

Goldfinch mules, linnet mules, Siskin mules, redpoll mules, greenfinch mules, twite mules,
All of these exhibition mules where bred from large exhibition Norwich canaries

Goldie-redpoll, Goldie-Siskin, Goldie-greenfinch, goldie-bullfinch, linnet-bullfinch, greenfinch-chaffinch, bramble-chaffinch to name a few

[Sally]

Stuart whiting Please keep in mind that most members of this forum are not into exhibition birds. Few are breeding on a large scale, fewer still show their birds. Most have pets, and there is nothing wrong with a 'kitchen' canary! To call them worthless mongrels is a bit harsh, as these are precious members of someone's home. It really is not important at all to them if their bird has a pedigree or not.

[Stuart whiting]

Stuart whiting Please keep in mind that most members of this forum are not into exhibition birds. Few are breeding on a large scale, fewer still show their birds. Most have pets, and there is nothing wrong with a 'kitchen' canary! To call them worthless mongrels is a bit harsh, as these are precious members of someone's home. It really is not important at all to them if their bird has a pedigree or not.

Yes I know that Sally but I'm in a debate with pual at the moment as his very last comment about trying to say to me what a hybrid is,

a bit of a silly statement when I've many times already explained about mules, hybrids and cross breeds and having bred and exhibited these for over 30 odd years

Yes I personally call cross bred canaries worthless but I didn't initially state this to Betty, it was pual who decided to rock the boat about the subject IE saying for someone who has a lot to say should already know this !!!

I take that as a bit of sarcasm,

Obviously there's a few facts that need to be got right here before we go any further

[Barbara]

Calikiwi---- I hope you are not too confused with all the comments that were made,I have a male canary that is beautiful he is a crested,that was my only concern in buying him from a breeder,he was bred with two of his best singers,but honestly sounds terrible but I love his looks and his off tune song makes me ( : every time I hear him,My suggestion would be to listen to the song of the birds and your area that are available to you because then you will hear first hand what he will sound like,I would think listening on line would give you a idea of what they may sound like but no guarantees.The search is so much fun and I am sure the right little canary is waiting out there to sing you a pretty song,Good luck with your search and be sure to post a picture of him when you can.

[debbie276]

Obviously there's a few facts that need to be got right here before we go any further

You could always start a new post rather then take this one off course.

[Sally]

Debate is fine, as long as it remains friendly. Let's get back on topic, CaliKiwi is looking for a nice song.

[Stuart whiting]

Obviously there's a few facts that need to be got right here before we go any further

You could always start a new post rather then take this one off course.

Hi Debbie,

Hopefully it won't need to come to that

[Stuart whiting]

Debate is fine, as long as it remains friendly. Let's get back on topic, CaliKiwi is looking for a nice song.

I can onestly understand that, like you say let's please move on

[Stuart whiting]

CaliKiwi

Hi mate, apologies for the confusion and debate,

Earlier you discussed about looking at some of the roller canaries and there song and found them rather pleasing to the ear when you listened to them last,

Have you come across any other canaries of decided on anything yet

[Barbara]

Well we knew you would have to have the last say !!!!!!!!!