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lovezebs wrote: Bumble foot can get pretty serious, if not treated. I lost a little Waxbill some years ago to a case of it that became infected.

Not sure what stuff would be soft enough for her little feet...
Maybe puppy training pads, which are usually pretty soft.

Regarding your amorous bully...
Can you rub a tiny bit of bitter apple spray on her head, maybe the taste will disuade him from pulling out her top knot. Other than that, all I can think anbout is a little bonnet which Heta could make for her.

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lovezebs wrote: MisterGribs

Glad to hear that your girlie is getting better and enjoying her treatments.

Did you want to try some puppy pads for her footsies? I'm sure we could get some to you if you wanted to try them. Let me know.

As for your boy, can he be neutered?
I know it sounds a little nuts, but can it be done?

Otherwise, it will have to be a bonnet or bitter apple spray, or the cone of shame on your poor girl, or a muzzle for your boy, lol.

Ricardo Ronsini wrote: MisterGribs

Male quails are horny little creatures, and i don't belive his behavior is gonna improove over time, that's what they do, for that it is recommended to have at least 3 or 5 females per male when we keep them toguether.

MisterGribs wrote:

lovezebs wrote: MisterGribs

Glad to hear that your girlie is getting better and enjoying her treatments.

Did you want to try some puppy pads for her footsies? I'm sure we could get some to you if you wanted to try them. Let me know.

As for your boy, can he be neutered?
I know it sounds a little nuts, but can it be done?

Otherwise, it will have to be a bonnet or bitter apple spray, or the cone of shame on your poor girl, or a muzzle for your boy, lol.

I've added the puppy pads to our grocery list. ;) I've also started cutting up a bunch of newspapers for soft, fluffy flooring. They're separated, one of them is inside a big plastic tub that takes up half the cage, so they can still see each other.. But man, they're both miserable and bonk against it nonstop trying to get to each other. Too bad, lol.
Diglett's bumblefoot is getting smaller and smaller. I just keep soaking her feet twice a day for half an hour at a time, and scrubbing out the wound with a baby brush. I know I'm going to be at this for weeks, despite having caught it early. I hate bumblefoot, it's the worst. It's a real tough kitty.

As for neutering, removing the testes of a male chicken or quail is called caponization and frankly, I'm amazed the process is legal and still practiced. It involves prying the male bird open with a speculum, unsedated and as far as I know completely unanesthetized, and just... cutting through the skin in his bum and ripping them out. Then putting him back in the barnyard. It looks so awful, I'm horrified to do that to any animal. Some people even do this themselves, can you imagine?

I took Hulahulabarb out in his harness and leash yesterday and walked him in the park by the river. He had never been outside on a leash, and he was scared at first, but had such a great time and was super tired when he came home. He still chased Diglett once or twice, but not quite as relentlessly as usual, and they slept peacefully side by side on the floor under my desk until bed time for the first time since they were babies, so I think I'm going to take him for walks whenever the weather allows until his hormones even out and he stops being so mean.

Icearstorm wrote: lovezebs
Lots of ground birds are classified under game/poultry, so large farming corporations are lobbying to stop poultry welfare acts from passing; this is likely what is occurring. If I am remembering correctly, non-mammals aren't considered animals under the current set of animal welfare laws (hence the continuing practice of throwing live male chicks into meat grinders in the egg industry).

lovezebs wrote:

MisterGribs wrote:

lovezebs wrote: MisterGribs

Glad to hear that your girlie is getting better and enjoying her treatments.

Did you want to try some puppy pads for her footsies? I'm sure we could get some to you if you wanted to try them. Let me know.

As for your boy, can he be neutered?
I know it sounds a little nuts, but can it be done?

Otherwise, it will have to be a bonnet or bitter apple spray, or the cone of shame on your poor girl, or a muzzle for your boy, lol.

I've added the puppy pads to our grocery list. ;) I've also started cutting up a bunch of newspapers for soft, fluffy flooring. They're separated, one of them is inside a big plastic tub that takes up half the cage, so they can still see each other.. But man, they're both miserable and bonk against it nonstop trying to get to each other. Too bad, lol.
Diglett's bumblefoot is getting smaller and smaller. I just keep soaking her feet twice a day for half an hour at a time, and scrubbing out the wound with a baby brush. I know I'm going to be at this for weeks, despite having caught it early. I hate bumblefoot, it's the worst. It's a real tough kitty.

As for neutering, removing the testes of a male chicken or quail is called caponization and frankly, I'm amazed the process is legal and still practiced. It involves prying the male bird open with a speculum, unsedated and as far as I know completely unanesthetized, and just... cutting through the skin in his bum and ripping them out. Then putting him back in the barnyard. It looks so awful, I'm horrified to do that to any animal. Some people even do this themselves, can you imagine?

I took Hulahulabarb out in his harness and leash yesterday and walked him in the park by the river. He had never been outside on a leash, and he was scared at first, but had such a great time and was super tired when he came home. He still chased Diglett once or twice, but not quite as relentlessly as usual, and they slept peacefully side by side on the floor under my desk until bed time for the first time since they were babies, so I think I'm going to take him for walks whenever the weather allows until his hormones even out and he stops being so mean.

Oh My God!!!

I had no idea that it was such a cruel procedure. That is absolutely horrible. I had visions of a Vet surgical theatre, with anesthesia, oxygen, and the works, nothing as barberic as what you described. That is bloody awful!!!

How in heaven's name, do anti animal cruelty groups not go after them and put a stop to this?

No way is poor Hulaup going through anything like that

So I guess it's back to a bonnet and maybe a chastity belt for little Diglett.

Icearstorm wrote: MisterGribs

Sounds yummy! How many eggs did that take?

I've read that certain dewormers should not be used unless the bird is experiencing easily-noticed problems due to a parasite load, as the treatment can reduce appetite and have other side effects. This might only be the case for birds of prey (the primary focus of my research into this), but it's something to think about. Most external anti-parasitics should be fine. I met a falconer that uses Frontline for his birds; the raptors require more than a similar-weight dog due to a higher metabolism. In theory, this could also work for quail.