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Travel arrangements for Gouldians?

Post by DCbeachboy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:21 pm

I've searched through the forums, but haven't been able to find an answer to a question I'm hoping that some expert birdkeeper here may be able to provide some guidance on:

How soon after acquiring a new pair of Gouldians would it be OK to leave them alone for 3 days with sufficient food and water in unspillable and unsoilable containers?

Is there any reason I couldn't go away for a long weekend, about 3-4 weeks after acquiring them, or would that be too stressful for them? After a breeder this week advised me to never leave them unattended under any circumstances, even after they've adjusted to their new home, I'm now beginning to re-think the species.

I had done some fairly extensive research in my spare time over the past 3 months in preparation for adding birds to my home, and during this process had decided on Gouldians. The cage, food, lighting and all accessories are all finally set up, I've done my "homework" -- perhaps too much -- and felt as ready as I'll ever be, and had planned to finally buy a pair within the next week or so. But suddenly this bombshell. :shock:

I haven't run across anything at all to indicate Gouldians are THAT dependent on attended care every single day of their lives. But if she's right, maybe Gouldians just would not be a good fit for me after all. Although I'd certainly intended to make alternative arrangements for any trips of more than 3 days, I hadn't contemplated having to do so for the occasional long weekend away, which I typically do 3-4 times during the year.

In planning for such occasions, I've already purchased 2 large plastic water tubes that attach to the outside of the cage (not the type with the tube spout and ball, but with a simple tiny level water trough at the drinking end). I was planning to fill both tubes, in case something happened to one while I'm away. I also have a "Tidy Seed" feeder that I had intended to hang on the cage exterior with 3 days worth of food (a 50/50 mix of Dr. Harvey's fabulous finch seed mix and Harrison's high-potency pellet mash). I assume they can do without the supplemental fresh fruit and veggies for 3 days, until I return.

Should I delay any such brief trips until they've had more time to "settle in" first? For how long -- 60 days? 90 days? 6 months? I don't want to do anything that would jeopardize the birds, that's obviously paramount. Aside from the moral responsibilities, I've also invested far too much time and money into this to do anything to risk their well-being. But I am not prepared to impose on someone by asking them to look after the birds every time I need to go away for a weekend. I'd prefer to play that favor card only when I really need to -- such as when I'm away for a week's vacation.

Any pearls of wisdom from somebody with experience handling Gouldians?
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Post by dfcauley » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:04 pm

I would not leave them unattended for over three days no matter how long I had them. IF they have enough fresh seeds and water and you are confident that they will not run out I think three days would be okay, but no longer.

Is there someone who could come to your house to check on them?
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Post by L in Ontario » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:07 pm

Leaving them this long is not ideal but if you must -

If it were me, I would give them two or three trial runs before actually leaving. Just prep everything up as if you were going and then do not go near them for the three days; but do keep an eye on them from a distance. Use binoculars if needed to make sure everything goes as planned.

Also, what happens if another 'bombshell' drops while you're away and your leave gets extended to 4 or 5 days? Best to have more food and water available to them then just enough to get them through 3 days.
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Re: Travel arrangements for Gouldians?

Post by Sally » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:18 pm

I don't have Gouldians, but I really don't think they are as fragile as they are sometimes portrayed. Of course, for toughness, you probably can't beat Zebras or Societies, but that should not be your main criteria in choosing a species. I have left mine for as much as three days. It is not ideal, but they did fine. I use seed hoppers, and they hold way more than 3 days worth of food for two birds. With regular seed dishes, they can build up a layer of seed hulls on top and not even realize there is food underneath. I placed 2 tube waterers that hold 7oz. each on each cage of 2 birds, more for more birds. I also gave them spray millet, and those that might have been sitting on eggs got dry commercial eggfood. They just had to do without fresh eggfood or fresh veggies. No baths, either. I don't feel like any of them suffered while I was gone.

As Liz said, you might want to try a trial run, setting them up with food and water and then leaving them alone for three days, just to see how they do. And I would definitely leave more food than exactly three days worth. Better way too much than not enough.
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Post by B CAMP » Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:38 pm

I think that you can leave them for 3or4 days without any problem. Are those the kind of feeders and waters that you will be useing all the time ?
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Post by DCbeachboy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:50 pm

Thanks, all, for the input...some good points to remember!

TOO SOON? Aside from the general idea of leaving the birds for 3 days (at any time)....I'm especially concerned also that this would happen within a very few weeks of relocating the birds to my home. IF I were going to leave them unattended for 3 days (and that is still a big "IF"), how soon should I consider doing so? Is 3-4 weeks after acquiring them too soon? Or should I wait 2 months? 3 months? 6 months?

EXTRA SUPPLY: Yes, I misspoke when I said I intended to leave 3 days worth of food -- I agree it makes sense to err on the side of caution and leave more, just in case the unexpected happens. The hopper-type feeder I'll be using will hold about a week's worth, I believe....and I'm sure to leave a couple extra days worth of food, at least. Same for the water tubes -- each should hold about a week's worth, and I would leave 2 filled in case anything happens to one. This breeder had indicated that Gouldians aren't smart enough to use tube waterers....but I can see from this forum that isn't the case -- as long as they're properly weaned onto it, it seems. I hope someone will correct me if I'm off-base.

DAILY USE: And yes, I had intended to use these same water tubes daily -- not solely when I'm away. However, I doubt I'll be using the Tidy Seed hopper on a daily basis...though maybe. Are they ok for regular use or better-suited as vacation feeders? I would definitely want to introduce the birds to the hopper several days before I left -- just to be sure they're familiar with it.

NORMAL FEEDINGS: Whenever I'm home, I'd intended to provide them a specific-sized food serving twice/day of the 50/50 seed/pellet mash mix (is that often enough?) in a stainless bowl, as well as a 3rd serving in between consisting of finely diced fresh fruit/vegetable(s). As I understand, most finches consume 1/3 of their bodyweight each day...so that should equate to roughly 6-7 grams of total food per bird over the course of each day -- is this about right?

GREAT IDEAS: I've made a note to be sure to also include millet in my travel care package -- thanks for that idea, Sally. And I wouldn't have thought to do the trial run....excellent suggestion L, and one I will try to execute to the extent possible in my not-so-spacious loft condo. I don't have the luxury of unused rooms in my home, but they will be in the least-used and farthest corner of my living room. Given as I work from home on most days, it will be impossible for them not to see me fairly frequently throughout each day of the trial run....but I'll at least be able to observe whether they get by just fine without my intervention for 3 days.

CRYING 'WOLF': As for asking someone to stop by -- I'm still very hesitant to begin asking bird favors so soon, and for such a brief period. I know there will be occasional times in the month/years ahead when I really DO need to depend on someone for that (such as when I'll be away for a week or two), so if at all possible I'd prefer to wait until then.

ANOTHER OPTION? Another idea I may consider, and one that I wouldn't feel quite as imposing about asking of someone: how stressful would it be for the birds if I wheel their flight cage out of my condo, down the hall and up the elevator to a neighbor's condo to stay for the 3 days I'm away? Would that 10-minute ordeal -- or the ordeal of being in yet another new setting for 3 days -- be too traumatic? Would it help at all if I covered their cage while I'm wheeling them?
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Post by ac12 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:32 am

I use water tubes for my gouldians...not a problem.
Personally, I would use THREE 4oz tubes, just in case...
The trick that I learned was to hold the bird, then dip the TIP of its beak into the trough of the water tube, so it knows where the water is.

Important for seeds, birds will pick what they want and ignore or flick out the seeds they do not want. You need to test how the birds will do this with the seeds in your seed hopper.
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Post by dfcauley » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:31 am

I think a ride down the hall to the friend's condo is an excellent idea. Just cover it with a blanket so they won't be spooked! :lol:
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Post by DCbeachboy » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:49 pm

Thanks for the tip on the water tubes AC.....will def do!

So resettling them for 3 days soon after they've been introduced to my home would be OK, as long as it's confined to a short ride away in my building, DF?

Still not clear though on how long I should wait after acquiring the birds to plan a weekend away -- do they need 1 full month of stability beforehand? 2 months? Not important? :? Would this answer be the same whether I left them unattended in my home OR left them with a neighbor?
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Post by Sally » Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:30 pm

One thing to think of if you take the birds to your neighbor's--does your neighbor have birds? If not, no problem, but if your neighbor does, then you would want to make sure your birds were completely thru being quarantined before exposing them to your neighbor's birds.

So if your neighbor does not have birds, and you choose to go that route, I would still have the birds set up with food and water for the three days. Then all your neighbor has to do is keep an eye on things, to see that the birds do not run out of food or water.

As far as timing, most birds settle in to a new cage fairly quickly. If you are rolling their cage to your neighbor's, covered by a sheet or blanket as dfcauley suggested, their actual home will not change, just the surroundings, so they shouldn't get too upset. I have rolled cages from one room to another with minimal upset. And depending on your individual birds, and they are all individuals, you might want to wait till they are thru the quarantine period you choose, just to make sure they are good and healthy before you do this. Healthy birds can stand some stress, sickly birds get worse with stress.

You mentioned doing this 3-4 weeks after acquiring them, and I would think that would be fine. I am not an experienced Gouldian keeper, so others may have a different opinion.
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Post by franny » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:44 pm

I use the same type of tube/trough feeder for both seed and water. The only difference between them is that the opening in the clear plastic tube is larger, for the seed.

I have 2 seed containers going at all times, and 1 waterer, normally. If I'm going to be away for a couple or 3 days, I also put extra millet in the cage, and replace one of the seed feeders with an extra waterer. I've never had a problem. And they haven't run out of water or seed, by the time I returned late on the 3rd day. Those 8 oz seed tubes hold a lot of seed, and between that and the millet they were fine.

I'd suggest putting something in the water to help keep it clean, like a drop or two of Apple Cider Vinegar, or Sparkle, or some other product intended to keep the water fresh.

I think wheeling the cage to a neighbour's would be OK, with reservations. I would hesitate to put them in a friend's care ... if something did happen, would you still be friends??? :( For this reason alone, I'd prefer to leave them at home, with lots of water and seed. Unless I can afford to hire someone to look after them. No hard feelings then if something goes wrong. It would be sad, but it wouldn't ruin a good friendship. So if just for 3 days, I say leave them at home. For anything longer, then pay someone to look after them.. preferably not a friend. [-X
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Post by Meagan83 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:39 am

I left my birds under the care of my sister for a 3 day weekend once. She did a great job caring for them. I'd pick family over a friend for care of pets. Family tends to have a better idea of how important your pets are to you.

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Post by poohbear » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:38 am

Leave them with the neighbours...Gouldians are no different from any other cage bird...they won't all drop dead from stress...Take no notice of those that consider them extra delicate...it's not true.Keep 'em out of draughts and they're as hardy as zebras....
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Post by L in Ontario » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:56 pm

My son looked after all my fids (around 100 with mostly Gouldians) for 12 days in 2008 and 7 days earlier this year and he did a great job! =D>
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