Dilute Gouldians & Weirdos

[CandoAviary]

That is exactly what I was told by a breeder, that the /blues could produce blue, /blue, and normals...... but I stated one time on a forum here that breeders who sell their /blue babies without actually having had them produce blues could be misrepresenting. I had noted an add I saw from a breeder who advertized that she would not sell a bird as /blue unless it was actuall breed and with proven results.
Tiffany, who I think knows much about genetics said it didn't work that way....... so that is why I change my thinking ...... now I am as confused as ever...... Think I will reask in the genetics topic and see....... maybe I misunderstood.... but it makes sense to me and always did that the /blues could throw normals..............


Another question I asked way back when was didn't the blue mutation derive from normal birds and aren't there still this occurence in the wild. The answer was yes, and yes

[GOULDYGIRL]

maybe I misunderstood.... but it makes sense to me and always did that the /blues could throw normals..............

I believe that's true, unless the split for blue was bred to a blue, then all the non blue offspring would be splits.

Renee

[CandoAviary]

Okay, I found the old post where I made this statement and then was told that it does not work that way..... towards the bottom of the page......
Please someone give me a definate 100% answer...... Inquiring minds want to know

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php ... red#p58788

[Pukasand]

This genetics stuff is like trying to hold jello... just when I think I've got a grip on it, away it goes. Okay, well I've got one clarification anyway, a /blue x /blue does not necessarily mean the chicks will be blue or /blue, BUT a blue x /blue means ALL the chicks will be either blue or /blue. Correct

If I would get the lovely offspring you got, I'd be very happy. Very nice birds.

[CandoAviary]

Okay...am I bad........
I just went back and reread the response and it does not contridict what others have said.
If you breed 2 birds that are both /blue you can get Blue, / Blue and Normals......
The only way to tell for sure is to breed them.....

I don't for the life of me know how I could of read that old post wrong.... glad I got it straight in this wee brain before I tried to sell someone an offspring claiming it was split to blue
That is why my birds that I bought as normals were not represented as anything but normals. Yet they were split to blues. I guess I would sell the same way. Sell them as normals but at least clue th buyer in on the possibility that it could possibly...if the % is in their favor be a split

Pukasand....you are correct

[Pukasand]

Wow.. glad I got something right. Now I've got a toehold on the mountain of genetics.

[L in Ontario]

Yep - you've all got it straight now!

[CandoAviary]

[nixity]

My confusion comes from this......
If you breed a split to blut to a split to blue....will all the offspering carry the split to blue factors?

The pair I breed were both normal looking but /blue. They have had 3 clutches.... 4 blues and 6 normals..... I am assuming these 6 normals are actually split /blue.

Help Tiffany Am I correct to assume these 6 normal looking offsprings are split?

No - unfortunately you can't tell the normals from the normal/blues when you pair two splits together. You won't know until they are bred - they "statistically" have a 66% chance of being /Blue - versus a 50% chance if you pair a /Blue to a normal.

The reason it is "66%" is because "statistically" 1 in 4 from a /Blue x /Blue pairing will be blue.
That leaves three offspring, two of which statistically are /Blue.. so 2/3 = 66%

:/

But - yeah, you won't know which are and which aren't until pairing them up to test breed them. So you couldn't sell them as known splits until this was done and you produced blues.

The only sure-fire way to know you have /blue chicks is by pairing a Blue, Pastel or Silver with a non-blue. All babies will then be /blue.

[nixity]

PS: Ms. Red Eyes is GORGEOUS!!

As are all the others

[CandoAviary]

[quote="nixity"]PS: Ms. Red Eyes is GORGEOUS!!

As are all the others [/quote]


And as I recall you predicted it would be a yellow hen That is why I come to you for the answers Thanks again.

[nixity]

And as I recall you predicted it would be a yellow hen That is why I come to you for the answers Thanks again.

And this is definitely a girl? She has a really bright mask/dark breast..

[MLaRue]

I think the hen is in the third picture on the left , and the other is a clutch mate...

[CandoAviary]

Yes, she looks like another female I bought. A fellow here had 5 goulds that he was tring to get rid of because they would not breed. He had 6 in a 30" cage with 2 nest????? Anyway, I had the male lilac breast and wanted a female so I bought her. He said it was a male due to the color but I noticed that she was doing a female call. Yep she was... Her son is the father to this 'red eyes" Here is a pic of her with the lilac breast last year
This camea makes them look close to the same color but the cocks chest is a nice light lilac and the hens rich purple. She is one of the most vivid hens I have ever seen in this mutation.
Red Eyes grandparents on the father's side

[CandoAviary]

Misty,
She (red eyes) is in a cage with 2 other younger hens. They are offsprings of the above OH PB YB hen and OH LB YB cock (redeyes grandparents) I am sure those hens will be BH PB YB like this... they usually throw females that look like this