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Anybody have photos? My uncle has a penguin pair but the male doesn't have flanks or cheek patches.

The reason it does not have cheek patches or flanks is because it was bred to a pied or has pied in it's genes. The Pied removes the orange cheek patches and flanks when paired with the penguin mutation.

If you breed the pair, because of the pied in the father it will conflict with the orange and you may have the same effect in the male offspring. All offspring will carry the pied gene then.

This is what I recommend...take the penguin female and breed her with either a fawn or normal NON PIED male ....this combination will give you either normals split to penguins and or penguins, your males will have the cheeks and flanks. Then pair the offspring to either another normal or full penguin. If your uncle mates the pair he will not get the true penguin look visually...just the pied effect...all offspring with inherit it.

The pied male can be paired with another pied but as far as passing on the the penguin look, the pied he has in his background has spoiled the true penguin look for his future offspring.

the picture below is a male (crested) pied penguin and two full penguin females. (Saddle backs are generally all white except for a small triangle shape of color on theit back...saddle back is a result of pairing mostly white pieds through the generations).

Top pic...full penguin male
middle picture...pied penguin male with two full penguin females
bottom pic pied penguin male (notice the flaning and cheeks missing...pied removes them from the penguin mutation)

this is a topic thread about a society saddle back (white bird with fawn patch on it's back...second pic down)

http://www.finchforum.com/viewtopic.php ... saddleback

What color is the male pengiuns beak? It should be red. Does he have the white cheeks and basically look like the female? If the bird is a saddleback (heavy pied) and your uncle mates it to the female penguin and he is expecting orange cheeks and flanks it will not happen due to the pied/pengiun mix.

It looks like a female with red beak. I told my uncle something wasn't right. Thanks for clearing that up, I read the post to my uncke.

I thought it was a saddleback until I realized tue head was grey also.

The male is basically a pied now....If he has a true fawn or Gray male and he pairs it with the female he will get normals that are split to penguin and or visual penguin...this can change with each clutch, some will be all split to penguins, some can be penguins and other clutches can be a mix.

Using a true non pied fawn male with a penguin will give fawn females but to produce penguin males you need to pair the offspring fawn female with another true (pure) fawn male.

I have 5 pairs of penguins, 3 are either on eggs or have young.

I told him, he asked Dennis about it and Sennis didn't know either because they were raised by somebody else. So it was a misunderstanding. I guess the guy who raised them said the orange will show more in the next generations. If he is pied won't they be more white instead of the markings showing? See, i'm glad i've invested so much time on genetics. I must thank you Cindy for teaching me!

Pied can be suttle showing tiny spots, or white wing edges or it can be heavy...the first hint that a penguin is bred with a pied are the cheeks and flanks disappear, the orange is removed. For some reason pied effects the penguin in this way. If the pied penguin is bred to another pied then you would see more pied in the offspring.. with each generation of pied you add the more white will appear, do this enough though generations and you can get a saddleback or a white bird.

The man that said the cheeks will come back in the generations was not aware of the penguins and pied conflict or very inexperienced. The pied would have conflicted with the penguin orange.

The male shown with the crest was bred a few times by me after getting him, he was paired with a normal female so I could get a few crested, he is not part of my penguin breeding line.

Pied is stubborn and can be difficult to get rid of.

I told my uncle. I don't think he knows what to do yet

If he wants penguins tell him to take the female and pair her with a true normal no pied male. If he wants penguins that look pied no cheeks on the males then put the penguin pied male with the female.

He is just shocked by all these genetics. But I must say, he is getting 8 more pairs of zebras so he must love them!! I'll go over it again with him.