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Post by FeatherHarp » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:26 am

Now that my new cage is on the way I am thinking about what finches I want to put in there in addition to my 2 male Zebras.

Cage dimensions are:
Inside Height: 35''... 32'' Length... 21''deep

I know I will get 2 Owl Finches but after reading the discussion about having a pair of Societies because they will foster other eggs. I am wondering if I should get some along with the Owls. It sounds like Owls can be iffy parents and I really want to have some Owl babies!

Now here come the Questions... :mrgreen:

1. Are there other finch species besides Societies that foster eggs?

2. If I put only one nest in with 2 Male Zebras and an Owl pair(m/f)....would both sets of finches squabble over the one nest...or would the male Zebras not bother with it and let the Owls have it? Maybe I need to put two nests in there to keep the peace?

All this makes my head spin! #-o

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Post by Sally » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:25 pm

Except for Zebras and Societies, most finches don't breed well in a community cage, unless it is a large flight. I don't have an aviary, so any finches I want to breed I put in breeding cages, 1 pair to a cage. My one pair of Owls are very flighty and quick to come off the nest, so they are on the top tier of shelves, plastic plants around, try to give them privacy. If you put one nest in with 2 Zebras and a pair of Owls, the Zebras will most likely take over the nest. If you put in a second nest, the Zebras may take that one, too. If you add a pair of Societies to foster, the Zebras may take over that nest, too. Could you put a pair of Owls in the cage where you kept the Zebras? Or if you get Societies, could you put the Zebras back in the original cage and let the Owls and Societies have the flight? As far as other fosters, I have read that Zebras have been used to foster Cordon Bleus, and I have also read that African Silverbills make good fosters.

I have 5 Gouldians in that HQ cage, 2 males and 3 females, and they are sitting on eggs (now using two different nests). They have all been together for months in a similar sized cage, and got along beautifully, and even with them all in breeding mode, there hasn't been any fighting--some of them are even sharing nest duties! Now, this is not a great idea, because I will have no idea of parentage of the babies, but it shows that there are exceptions to the rules--5 birds, 2m/3f, and they act like they are in a community aviary setting. I think it is working because Gouldians are so passive.

What I am being so long-winded about is that there really are few hard and fast rules, just guidelines, as each finch is different. Sometimes you just have to try things out and see if they will work, but then you always have to have a back-up plan, extra cages ready, in case it doesn't. Case in point, I acquired a Strawberry hen and a Shaft-tail cock that were being rehomed. I thought I would put the hen in with my Strawberry cock, since his mate has shown no interest in nests last year or this year. Well, the new hen hated the Strawberry cock, chased him unmercifully, and I finally gave up and put her back with the Shaft-tail. She is in love with the Shaft-tail and is happy as can be now. The one thing you can't do with finches is force them to do what you want.

So, you could try the Owl/Zebra combination and see if it works, if you want. They could be the exception to the rule! Well, have I confused you enough now? :lol:

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Post by FeatherHarp » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:50 pm

Wow...thanks for the info...that is just what I was wanting to find out! :D

I guess I will have to consider finding a breeder cage if I want to take the Owls out of the aviary setting.

Soooooo......here come more questions! :-k

1. I don't have an "official" breeder cage but I do have some cages that are about 20" wide and about 18 tall. Would that be acceptable as a breeder cage. Or is there a minimun acceptable size.

2. IF I can breed Owls....once the babies have fledged and are out and about....can they all be returned to the Aviary?

My head is just swimming with all this...I may just have to hire a Finch Nanny to come in and help me...lol

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Post by EmilyHurd » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:37 pm

Many species will not breed in a cage that small... although zebras and societies probably would.

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Post by Sally » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:53 pm

Yes, I think that cage would be too small. I feel that the minimum breeder cage should be a 30lx18hx18d. This gives them a little flying room, which is so important with the finches. I know a lot of canary breeders are able to work with much smaller cages, but the finches need more room. You can find breeder cages this size on eBay, just watch for the shipping charges.

As far as returning them all to the flight cage once babies have fledged, what you will have to watch for is how many finches would be going in the flight cage. If you get it too crowded, the Zebras would be the most likely to start giving you problems. So if you want to breed Owls, you have to once again have a back-up plan in case you wind up with more birds than your flight cage can hold.

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Post by fairestfinches » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:37 pm

The Zebras will be dominant over the owls, and probably stress the Owls out. I would not house the owls with the Zebras myself, but it may work for you and the only way to know is to try. If the Owls get stressed be prepared to move them to a seperate cage so you don't loose one to the stress.

Zebras can be used as fosters, but they seem to be less likely to foster than Societies.

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Post by FeatherHarp » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:00 pm

Ok....thanks for the heads up on the breeding cage and finch breed combinations....I see that it is important to have a good backup plan as I don't want to have stressed out finches...I want to enjoy them but also want them to be comfortable and happy with their living conditions as well.

If I decide to try housing the Zebra's with the Owls....what are the stress signs I should watch for in the Owls?

Being the flight cage is 35 high....32 long/wide....21 deep.

Would 2 Male Zebras + 2 Male Gouldians + 2 Male/Female Owls be an ok mix (assuming the Zebras don't stress them all out?...then I would put the Z's in a different cage.

I ask because that is the combination I would ideally like to have right now...but only if it would be a good fit.

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Post by fairestfinches » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:14 pm

Stress would be most easily seen in a bird becoming less active, tucking it's head alot, and fluffing.

We house Goulds and Owls with no troubles, but when we introduce a new pair we observe them for several days to make sure that they are not having any troulbles getting along.

I would suggest trying the combination you'd like and see how it goes. Just be ready to make some changes if the birds indicate that they need it.

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