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My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:18 pm
by andiok
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:55 am
by eddie.chiao
Hi Andiok,
Beauty Birds!
Are they nature or hybrid?
I am a new guy in GF field, so many things are interesting!
Wish you could get them again soon.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:40 pm
by andiok
eddie.chiao
thanks eddie.
these are pied goldfinches otherwise known as leucistic gf.
just normal goldfinches most of the species carduelis carduelis Tschussi and c.c balcanica. very tiny and beautiful in colors but kept more for the beautiful song.
pied birds in case you don't know are just normal birds but they show no melanin in their skin/feathers but only lipocroms because of this mutation of the gene. (you need to read more to get this right though
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i have been selecting and crossing with interesting result this birds for a long time. in the same time the wonderful song of the goldfinch makes things a lot more exciting.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:23 pm
by Lee123
nice birds are these cheverall and pea throats ? at least that's what they go by in the UK I'm just starting a aviary of goldfinches would love some of the cheveralls but they seem hard to get hold of nice looking birds tho
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:27 am
by gostokom
Hi!
Interesting birds, I have some leucistic parva too, with a nice symmetric depigmentation.
Can you tell me a bit more about selecting?
The first one seem dead!
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:56 pm
by andiok
Lee123
yes thats what they are.
its hard to find leucistic goldfinches.
one of the best countries where u can find them is albania and italy.
we breed them for years with different results.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:03 pm
by andiok
gostokom
the goal with leucistic goldfinches or pied goldfinches is to get a totally white prole like this one
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or beautiful pied prole with lots of white on them like this ones
these gf are not an albino mutation with red eyes
this are normal birds that with no melanine in their skin
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:46 am
by lovezebs
andiok
Lovely looking birds!
Are these birds that you have bred yourself, or is this what you are aiming for with your breeding program?
I haven't seen too many Goldfinches (as they are not common where I live) but I have never seen these colour mutations before. Thanks for sharing
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Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:11 am
by andiok
lovezebs
hi Elana.
yes i had one total white born in my aviary but had a short live unfortunately. I do have his prole though.
to me, goldfinches are the most beautiful birds on their real colors but the pied once are more like a challenge. Its very exiting to see how the new prole is going to be because the same pair never gives the same colors to their prole. And from a pair with very few leucistic spots you could get a total white so its always unexpected results.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:13 pm
by lovezebs
andiok
When you use the word 'prole', do you mean the word 'prole' in Spanish, meaning offspring?
Yes, the original colours are quite lovely, but it's an interesting challenge to breed different mutations as well, and to come up with something unique, isn't it?
Good luck and would love to see what you come up with in the future.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:23 am
by andiok
lovezebs
Yes thats what I mean the offspring
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:50 am
by gostokom
Hello andiok ,
It is difficult to predict the outcome , it is unpredictable from year to year and clutch to clutch , that's why we can not say it's a mutation .
But we now know that certain subjects are stonger with this particuliare default , some says that they should have a white beak with no black dot at the end, white spots and white nails ...
what do you think abou this website:
http://brianreederbreeder.blogspot.com/
My birds are wild caught (no breeding history), so I have to try them first and hope they do not carry an aberration, this is what happned to me with some paires, hope to succefful this year.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:33 pm
by andiok
gostokom
all of my goldfinches were wild caught when i started breeding leucistic gf. its very hard to find cage bred leucistic gf for sale. i started breeding goldfinches 25 years ago so i was not new to gf. the only thing that fascinated me was their ability to give birth to total white offspring. thats why i keep breeding them but not only, i also teach them the song of my preference.
regarding the genetics on leucistic birds....well that is a very long discussion but i will only say a few words.
the leucism in reality it is a mutation. the bird genes miss le melanine (color) and they express their self as white. (look at it like with the lipochrome canaries, they do not show melanine in their feathers but in the same time they are not effected from albinism because their eyes are still black)
the only thing with this kind of mutation is that it is not a fix mutation like the other goldfinch mutations. (agata, albino, etc)
So basically you dont know if the results will be a total white or just some white patches around his head or else.
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:19 am
by gostokom
andiok wrote:
gostokom
all of my goldfinches were wild caught when i started breeding leucistic gf. its very hard to find cage bred leucistic gf for sale. i started breeding goldfinches 25 years ago so i was not new to gf. the only thing that fascinated me was their ability to give birth to total white offspring. thats why i keep breeding them but not only, i also teach them the song of my preference.
regarding the genetics on leucistic birds....well that is a very long discussion but i will only say a few words.
the leucism in reality it is a mutation. the bird genes miss le melanine (color) and they express their self as white. (look at it like with the lipochrome canaries, they do not show melanine in their feathers but in the same time they are not effected from albinism because their eyes are still black)
the only thing with this kind of mutation is that it is not a fix mutation like the other goldfinch mutations. (agata, albino, etc)
So basically you dont know if the results will be a total white or just some white patches around his head or else.
Hi andiok!
I got some leucistic offspring and you?
Re: My leucistic Goldfinches (photos)
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:58 pm
by GouldianGuy
so cool
