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My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:33 pm
by Animalzoo
A couple of you may recall a week or so ago I posted a topic about getting some Gouldians, well I finally found some, although there is a small tale to tell.

A Spanish friend had told us of a pet store in a nearby village that catered for all types of pets from cats, dogs, to small birds and chickens/turkeys/geese etc. They also had supplies for horses all sorts. This place is off the beaten track, run privately and not for the mainstream commercial traffic. Therefore, prices are low and very good! So, we went there aiming to find some bargain priced canaries and or love birds (as we're getting into these too). Personally I had given up on gouldians because all the local private breeders we had contacted didnt have any birds left to sell. To my surprise this place had them!

However, I wasn't impressed at all at their condition and immediately my welfare and rescue hat went on. I have no idea what gouldians cost in the US but prices here have ranged from 50€ per 1 to the lowest today at 25€ for 1. They had 3 in a cage who to be fair looked ok, 2 greens and one yellow although the yellow looked washed out. He said these were 2016(?).....though I thought that cannot be right as their colours do not come through that well until they are, what, say 3 months old or more, making them 2015 surely??

Then he had in these teeny tiny what I would class as travel cages 6 more, one per cage. He told us these were last years birds. These poor little creatures looked very sorry for themselves. I immediately chose 2 out of the selection I preferred the colours. I looked closely at the others and I think they had mites, their legs and feet were crusty and from my experience with my budgies and mites, they looked suspiciously similar. In fairness the ones I've chosen probably also have mites, I can treat them for that though, they dont look too far gone. But there was this one.....OMG, the poor thing. Its head was completely bald, not even one tiny feather! I pointed him out to my boyfriend and said I would pay any money to rescue it to hospitalise it and put it into immediate recuperation and therapy, but then I got angry and said no! He should give us this one for free as he will never sell it!

I know rule of thumb is never to buy any birds who are unhealthy.....but I got angry and wasnt leaving without them. Give him his due my boyfriend asked for more birds for the 50€ and pointed out the balding bird but the guy wouldnt budge. Nasty human! If any of the other breeds had been in a poor state I would have walked out. As it happens his canaries and lovebirds were fine. I didnt buy those as the price wasnt right and I didnt like their colours.

But, those poor poor gouldians. I know some of you may think I'm stupid for spending so much money on these birds but I put it into optimistic perspective. They were on a simple seed only diet. No greens, vitamins or supplements so of course their condition, feathers and colour will drop. Who knows how long they had lived like this. So with me, all will change. I spend a lot of time daily for my birds and they all receive a mixture of greens and egg food. These two today have probably been given food they have never seen in their life! I've posted photos below to show you. The male appears on the surface ok. The female is a different matter, her nails are way too long and I'm leaving a few days for them to settle before I trim them. In the meantime I've given them one of those coarse perches for their nails and beak. Shes a little scruffy as well. I even placed a bath on the side, again perhaps the first time they have seen a bowl of water to play in.

A quick question for you gouldian keepers though, I assume I am ok keeping them in the same cage (male & female that is)? Its just they were beak pecking at each other when they were on the same perch. Dont get me wrong, possible a life in a 6" cage with one perch makes life very small for them so suddenly a mansion of a cage with lots of places to sit AND a friend is strange. Are they meant to get along? I'm referring more to mixing the male and female.

Also, later on today I found a great canary breeder (puts this shop into perspective). He knows of the Gouldians and has ties with breeders. He said no one will have birds now as it's 'not the right season for them'. Ever heard of this? He said breeders will have eggs and young chicks at the moment, so in a few months young birds will be ready. I didnt know there were seasons to breed them in? Unless this is a Spanish thing???

Here, what do you think....

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Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:46 pm
by ![=
I would have thought it was 2 hens. I can't wait to see how they improve in your care.

I would have did the same thing.

They are some lucky birds, Im glad you got them :)

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:12 pm
by paul-inAZ
I have never had any troubles keeping both sexes together so that should not be a problem. They are peaceful.
The lowest price you quote is about $28 US so that is a very good price.
The dealer said they were young. Can the birds look scruffy because they are young birds in their adult molt? Some molt gradually and others look like they have been plucked. In any case a good diet should bring them around.

good luck with them.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:22 pm
by Animalzoo
paul-inAZ wrote: The lowest price you quote is about $28 US so that is a very good price.
The dealer said they were young. Can the birds look scruffy because they are young birds in their adult molt? Some molt gradually and others look like they have been plucked.
Yes, possible still in their molt. I'm not sure. Overall they looked ok, but I was after older adult birds anyway. All things equal I'm going to have to wait until breeding them anyway as the poor things will need some TLC. So in a few months maybe they will be happy lively little creatures.

How much on average are Gouldians where you are? If these ones had cost more I would have left it but yes, as it happens it was the best price so far I ave come across.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:29 pm
by paul-inAZ
From a private party $50 and maybe a bit more is pretty typical. Blues and uncommon colors can bring more, sometimes much more.
I've seen uncolored young birds listed at $40.
Pet shops seem to have prices of $100-125 for normals.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:44 pm
by Animalzoo
OMG! $100-125 !! Thats crazy money.
The most I've seen in a pet shop was 50€ each. Whats that about $56 ish?
Privately I've come across 25-30€ for normals.

A local pet shop I go in all the time does have 2 for sale but I don't like their colours although he's willing to sell them to me for 30€each, normally 40€ each. So for a mainstream commerical petshop thats good.

No one has any privately for sale atm, it's annoying. We were quoted 40€ for a blue or yellow privately but not for a few months off yet. All pet stores seem to stock normals.

Today this shop selling them at 25€ was a good deal but not for poor unhealthy stock imo. I still can't get over $100!! Ouch. :shock:

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:46 pm
by debbie276
I also would have thought 2 hens from those pictures. Is one singing? Unless they are very young the hens breaks will turn black just like that when in breeding mode. Usually young birds that are that colored out don't have such black beaks.
Never had any trouble keeping males and females together or even same sex pairs.
Your Purple Breast hen has what we used to call Dolly Parton breasts, used to be considered a fault.
Gouldians do have a "breeding season". Mine molt in spring, breed after the molt finishing their last clutch by the end of December then rest till spring molt.
Hard boiled eggs are a good way to build them up and add extra protein to their diet.
Good luck

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:58 pm
by lovezebs
Animalzoo

Hi Sue.

Your two birds, actually don't look that bad , the white breast appearing to be in better feather condition, than the purple breast. The purple breast, seems to be going into molt, and she appears to be in breeding condition (note the beak colour).

I honestly don't believe that they are 2016 birds. The purple breast, appears to be an older bird. Her nails are too long and yellow. I noticed, that she has a band on her leg, check the date on it.

I'm a little confused , did you end up getting the bald Gouldian, or not?

Regarding Gouldian prices:

Here in Calgary Canada, you can get Gouldians for $75.00 to $80.00 (Canadian dollar), from breeders. In Pet Shops, Gouldians range from $140.00 and up. Blues, are $140.00+ from breeders, and around $180.00+ at Pet Shops.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:15 am
by Sam007
Congratulations on your new gouldian finches. :)

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 5:15 am
by Animalzoo
No I didnt get the bald headed one. It's killing me that I didnt tbh :(

@lovezebs - Did you mean to say they dont look to be 2015 birds? I havent had time to hold or inspect them at length so when I go to deal with her nails I'll find out what their rings say. From the outside as the ring spins its not clean about the date.

Thanks for all your confidence guys. The guy in the shop did say the white breasted one was male. Is it the beak that lets you think more about a female. Do boys have whiter beaks?

xx

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:30 am
by debbie276
In the picture the WB has a light yellow belly color, males should be darker then hens. If male the tip of the beak should have a red tip and the beak a bone/tan color. Only a hens beak gets black like that when ready to breed. They also seem to have short tail wires in the pictures where males will be much longer.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:23 am
by lovezebs
Animalzoo

Don't know about 2015, but not 2016 (if that's what he told you ).

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:29 pm
by wilkifam
They really don't look bad. Did you get the bald one too? IMO you have two hens.

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:50 pm
by Animalzoo
Thank you everyone.
I could see the rings better today, they are 2014.
I am not bothered about age or gender. 2 hens and 2 years old is fine for me. I will be getting more in the future so will aim for males next. Both seemed a lot more perky today which is a nice sign. No I didn't get the bald head one. Still tempted to go back and offer a price to rescue the poor little thing :|

Re: My New Gouldians

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:51 pm
by lovezebs
Animalzoo

I'd go get baldy :lol:

I got a a poor fella that was languishing in the Pet Shop back room. I've never regretted it.